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Desktop memory usage
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2006-09-11 14:24:01
On Sunday 10 September 2006 15:43, Lubos Lunak wrote:
>  I finally found some time to put together something
that I had measured
> already quite a while ago. And I think the results are
interesting. But
> before I post this somewhere publically I'd appreciate
if somebody could at
> least quickly check it. I'd hate to see this trashed
by people just because
> of some silly stupid mistake that I've managed to
overlook. It still needs
> some final polishing but otherwise I right now consider
it complete, so in
> case you see something wrong, missing or not clear with
it, please tell me.

Very interesting read!

Some notes:

* The two sentences "All basic tests that follow are
measured against this
   number unless explicitly stated otherwise" are
easily overlooked,
   especially the second one where you switch reference
platform. Perhaps use
   CAPS and/or put them between *** asterisks *** ?

* For the WindowMaker editor, like Alex said, xemacs, or
gvim compiled against
   xlib (the 'g' in gvim is not 'gtk', but 'gui', and
it doesn't require Gtk).
   For the file manager, indeed Midnight Commander like Alex
mentioned.

* The alignment of the numbers in several tables seems
broken, even with a
   fixed font. You may want to look at this.

* Isn't a more realistic setup to use the KMix application
rather than the
   applet? The applet might need less memory, but eats way
too much screen
   space and is way too complex for people who only need a
simple volume
   control, so I guess it's out for most people. AFAIK the
default is the
   systray app, so replacing it with the applet is a bit of
tweaking for the
   happy few who know about it. (Read: this sounds like
cheating.)

* Be careful with the sentence "Interestingly enough
using Epiphany in KDE
   needs more memory than Firefox" -- so does using
Konqueror in GNOME.
   In general it's expensive to use apps from the 'other'
desktop, regardless
   of which desktop is the host and which is the guest

* While KOffice is certainly a lot less resource hungry it
is also not capable
   enough yet for most people. Judging by KOffice's pace of
development it's a
   good look at the future, but not something you should
stress right now in
   your conclusion. KDE + OOo is still 30 Mb lighter than
GNOME and only 20 Mb
   heavier than Xfce and much more realistic.

Apart from this, thanks for the hard work!

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Desktop memory usage
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2006-09-11 14:55:48
On Monday 11 September 2006 16:24, Martijn Klingens wrote:
> On Sunday 10 September 2006 15:43, Lubos Lunak wrote:
> >  I finally found some time to put together
something that I had
> > measured already quite a while ago. And I think
the results are
> > interesting. But before I post this somewhere
publically I'd appreciate
> > if somebody could at least quickly check it. I'd
hate to see this
> > trashed by people just because of some silly
stupid mistake that I've
> > managed to overlook. It still needs some final
polishing but otherwise
> > I right now consider it complete, so in case you
see something wrong,
> > missing or not clear with it, please tell me.
>
> Very interesting read!
>
> Some notes:
>
> * The two sentences "All basic tests that follow
are measured against
> this number unless explicitly stated otherwise"
are easily overlooked,
> especially the second one where you switch reference
platform. Perhaps
> use CAPS and/or put them between *** asterisks *** ?
>
> * For the WindowMaker editor, like Alex said, xemacs,
or gvim compiled
> against xlib (the 'g' in gvim is not 'gtk', but
'gui', and it doesn't
> require Gtk). For the file manager, indeed Midnight
Commander like Alex
> mentioned.

I'm not sure about xemacs, but I can't see the point in
using gvim over vim 
in an xterm. Should not change much, anyway. However, you
are likely to be 
wrong about gvim not using gtk -- gvim is very likely to use
gtk+, in most 
distributions -- I'm not even sure other toolkits are
maintained.  

>
> * The alignment of the numbers in several tables seems
broken, even with
> a fixed font. You may want to look at this.
>
> * Isn't a more realistic setup to use the KMix
application rather than
> the applet? The applet might need less memory, but eats
way too much
> screen space and is way too complex for people who only
need a simple
> volume control, so I guess it's out for most people.
AFAIK the default is
> the systray app, so replacing it with the applet is a
bit of tweaking for
> the happy few who know about it. (Read: this sounds
like cheating.)
>
> * Be careful with the sentence "Interestingly
enough using Epiphany in
> KDE needs more memory than Firefox" -- so does
using Konqueror in GNOME.
> In general it's expensive to use apps from the
'other' desktop,
> regardless of which desktop is the host and which is
the guest
>
> * While KOffice is certainly a lot less resource hungry
it is also not
> capable enough yet for most people. Judging by
KOffice's pace of
> development it's a good look at the future, but not
something you should
> stress right now in your conclusion. KDE + OOo is still
30 Mb lighter
> than GNOME and only 20 Mb heavier than Xfce and much
more realistic.
>

Well, looking at the case of a simple document (say a
letter), kword is ok, 
and much lighter. I wouldn't use either for
"complex" documents anyway.

> Apart from this, thanks for the hard work!

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2006-09-11 21:54:09
Dne pondělí 11 září 2006 16:24 Martijn Klingens
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> Some notes:

> * For the WindowMaker editor, like Alex said, xemacs,
or gvim compiled
> against xlib (the 'g' in gvim is not 'gtk', but
'gui', and it doesn't
> require Gtk). For the file manager, indeed Midnight
Commander like Alex
> mentioned.

 No. First of all, that doesn't seem to be the common case,
knowing several 
Window Maker users, second, it doesn't really matter than
much and third, as 
said in the text, I cannot redo any particular test.

> * The alignment of the numbers in several tables seems
broken, even with a
>    fixed font. You may want to look at this.

 That's part of final polishing.

> * Isn't a more realistic setup to use the KMix
application rather than the
>    applet? The applet might need less memory, but eats
way too much screen
>    space and is way too complex for people who only
need a simple volume
>    control, so I guess it's out for most people.

 I suppose it needs different defaults then. The applet is
much better than 
the systray version when it shows only what's needed.

>    AFAIK the default is the 
>    systray app, so replacing it with the applet is a
bit of tweaking for
> the happy few who know about it. (Read: this sounds
like cheating.)

 Perhaps, and it's the same with Klipper. But I can't redo
that, and maybe the 
defaults should change anyway .

> * Be careful with the sentence "Interestingly
enough using Epiphany in KDE
>    needs more memory than Firefox" -- so does
using Konqueror in GNOME.

 It's intentional and that's why that sentence and the
following one are 
there.

> * While KOffice is certainly a lot less resource hungry
it is also not
> capable enough yet for most people.

 I consider the current accompanying text sufficient.

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