Orca Firefox 3 better accessible?

Hi,
I downloaded and tested FF 3, aka Granparadiso.
The released alpha version crashes every 5 minutes, and the
quality 
feedback assistant is not accessible; so there was no
testin.
I then downloaded a nightly build of FF 3, and this works
stable on my 
machine.
However: What is the diference regarding accessibility
between FF 2.0 an 3?
I heard that websites that are not designed under the
standards of w3c are 
better accessible, which is indeed a progress. But I'll put
the emphasis on 
the handling of webpages for the user. Is there a better
reading and 
navigating of the sites, I think no.
One difference I could figure out is that the letter
"h" moves to the next 
heading and shift+h moves backward. But: If you press alt+h
to access the 
help menu, you get read the next heading; you've to search
for the menu bar 
and click "help".
In my case there's even a slight regress, because I cannot
use FireVox with 
FF 3; on new versions no extention works.
To explain: FireVox is an extention written by Charles Chen,
which provides 
some useful additional reading and navigation commands for
FF until version 
2.0. This extention makes FF more handy for blind and
visually impaired 
users. The URL is:
http://firevox.clcworld.n
et
What's your experience with FF 3 and Orca?
Regards
Hermann
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Hello there,
I find FF3 to be much more accessible than v2. When all the
little
quirks are sorted out, i believe this is going to be really
nice.
However, there's a question that i want to ask:
When i try navigating to a group of radio buttons, it's
kinda hard to
work my way through it, because as i navigate, radio buttons
get
selected, so it's possible i end up not having the radio
button i want
selected, if you see what i mean. Is there a way around
this? A typical
situation where this happens is in the Webmin application
from
www.webmin.com. Other than that little issue, much is
already working
really well for me.
/Krister

On Mon, 2006-12-18 at 16:34 +0100, Hermann wrote:
> Hi,
> I downloaded and tested FF 3, aka Granparadiso.
> The released alpha version crashes every 5 minutes, and
the quality 
> feedback assistant is not accessible; so there was no
testin.
> I then downloaded a nightly build of FF 3, and this
works stable on my 
> machine.
> However: What is the diference regarding accessibility
between FF 2.0 an 3?
> I heard that websites that are not designed under the
standards of w3c are 
> better accessible, which is indeed a progress. But I'll
put the emphasis on 
> the handling of webpages for the user. Is there a
better reading and 
> navigating of the sites, I think no.
> One difference I could figure out is that the letter
"h" moves to the next 
> heading and shift+h moves backward. But: If you press
alt+h to access the 
> help menu, you get read the next heading; you've to
search for the menu bar 
> and click "help".
> In my case there's even a slight regress, because I
cannot use FireVox with 
> FF 3; on new versions no extention works.
> To explain: FireVox is an extention written by Charles
Chen, which provides 
> some useful additional reading and navigation commands
for FF until version 
> 2.0. This extention makes FF more handy for blind and
visually impaired 
> users. The URL is:
> http://firevox.clcworld.n
et
> What's your experience with FF 3 and Orca?
> Regards
> Hermann
> _______________________________________________
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> Orca-listgnome.org
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> The released alpha version crashes every 5 minutes, and
the quality 
> feedback assistant is not accessible; so there was no
testin.
... 
> I then downloaded a nightly build of FF 3, and this
works stable on my 
> machine.

You probably should stick with the latest nightly builds. 
We're working
pretty closely with the Firefox team, and they just recently
fixed a
major crasher.  The following link will always get you the
latest
nightly:

http:/
/ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trun
k/firefox-3.0a1.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2

> However: What is the diference regarding accessibility
between FF 2.0 an 3?

The Firefox team is re-doing the accessibility support for
FF3.

> One difference I could figure out is that the letter
"h" moves to the next 
> heading and shift+h moves backward. But: If you press
alt+h to access the 
> help menu, you get read the next heading; you've to
search for the menu bar 
> and click "help".

The caret navigation that's build into Firefox is currently
pretty poor,
and assistive technologies such as Orca are forced to write
their own
navigation code.  :-(  We're still plugging away at this in
Orca.

Thanks for the mention of Alt+h: our navigation model was
erroneously
consuming this, and I just checked in a fix for it.  The fix
is in GNOME
CVS HEAD and will not be in a formal release of Orca until
v2.17.5 in a
couple weeks.

> What's your experience with FF 3 and Orca?

Step by step and we'll hopefully get there.

Will


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