Re: upgrading orca in oracle enterprise linux

Janina and willem,

I tried to use the fedora development repository, but got a
lot of errors about missing dependencies when I ran:

yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=development upgrade yum

The log of what happened is very large, so I don't want to
try to post it to the list, but here is a snippet:

Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by
package rhnlib
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by
package java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by
package up2date
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by
package python-urlgrabber
Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed by
package rhel-instnum
Error: Missing Dependency: python-optik is needed by package
up2date
Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.6 is needed by
package ricci
Error: Missing Dependency: libssl.so.6 is needed by package
cluster-snmp
Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.6 is needed by
package modcluster
Error: Missing Dependency: libssl.so.6 is needed by package
modcluster
Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.6 is needed by
package cluster-cim

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-----Original Message-----
From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janinaa11y.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:15 AM
To: Willem van der Walt
Cc: Janina Sajka; Donald Raikes; orca-listgnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] upgrading orca in oracle enterprise
linux


Agree with "should." But for various reasons,
including human error
specifying things like "requires" statements,
we've certainly seen
highly inappropriate dependencies being pulled in. Most
recently we've
seen this with development builds of xulrunner and firefox 3
from
development.

Janina

Willem van der Walt writes:
>
> I think it would mostly upgrade stuff and should at the
end of the day not
> install a lot of extra stuff.
> The oracle servers these days normally have X on them
anyway.
> As stated before, my Redhat and Oracle knowledge is a
bit dated, but I
> don't think it has changed that mutch in the
meanwhile.
> Regards, Willem
>
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Janina Sajka wrote:
>
> > This is certainly woprth looking into. It may be
that yum will want to
> > install far too many packages. But, you should try
enabling the
> > development repository for Fedora and see. Do that
and issue:
> >
> > yum --disablerepo='*' --enablerepo=development
upgrade orca
> >
> > and see how much yum needs to pull in. If you're
looking at a handful of
> > packages, you're good to go.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Willem van der Walt writes:
> > > Hi,
> > > I would suggest that you get the stuff from
Fedora, likely the latest
> > > version.
> > > There should be a rpm for atspi and all the
needed dependancies.  There
> > > should also be an rpm for orca itsellf.
> > > I am a bit out-dated with the Redhat stuff,
but the Rel versions is fed by
> > > the tested Fedora stuff.
> > > Regards, Willem
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Donald Raikes wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > Sorry if this is a duplicate of earlier
questions, but I haven't been able to locate any info on
this.
> > > >
> > > > I have been trying to find any notes on
how to upgrade orca for oracle enterprise linux.
> > > >
> > > > OEL5 is based on rhel5, but with some
oracle specific tweaks.
> > > > The version of orca installed by default
is orca-1.0.0-el5.
> > > >
> > > > A couple of weeks ago I tried to compile
orca 2.21 and had issues with pyatspi which I could never
get resolved.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a specific list of packages I
absolutely need to compile and which order they should be
compiled in?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Well, this is interesting and I think it explains the very
long list of
dependencies you ran into.

Your installed system has Python 2.4, and Orca and its a11y
dependencies, at-spi, atk, etc., have moved to Python
2.5--as has all of
Fedora. I don't recall whether the move happened with FC6,
or F-7, but
clearly your RHEL is woefully out of date in this regard.

Frankly, I'm not sure how to advise on this. I don't think
you can build
Orca, and especially it's dependencies, any longer against
Python 2.4.
FYI, the dependency chain currently looks like this:

rpm -qR orca
/bin/bash
/bin/sh
/bin/sh
at-spi-python
control-center >= 2.16.0-5
gnome-mag
libc.so.6()(64bit)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.4)(64bit)
libglib-2.0.so.0()(64bit)
python(abi) = 2.5
rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1
rpmlib(PartialHardlinkSets) <= 4.0.4-1
rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1
rtld(GNU_HASH)

So, Don, since Oracle is insisting on RHEL, I suspect you
should drop
the problem back in their lap. After all, when we give you
advice on
this list, it's not like we're helping DonRaikes as much as
we're trying
to help Oracle Corp past the implications of its policies.
I've been at
headquarters in Redwood City. I'm convinced they can afford
to solve the
problem for you, and you should demand a workable solution.
RHEL ain't
it.

Last suggestion: Run Fedora 8 plus the latest Orca chain
from
development in a virtual machine. It's the best I can do.

Janina

Donald Raikes writes:
> Janina and willem,
> 
> I tried to use the fedora development repository, but
got a lot of errors about missing dependencies when I ran:
> 
> yum --disablerepo=* --enablerepo=development upgrade
yum
> 
> The log of what happened is very large, so I don't want
to try to post it to the list, but here is a snippet:
> 
> Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed
by package rhnlib
> Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed
by package java-1.4.2-gcj-compat-devel
> Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed
by package up2date
> Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed
by package python-urlgrabber
> Error: Missing Dependency: python(abi) = 2.4 is needed
by package rhel-instnum
> Error: Missing Dependency: python-optik is needed by
package up2date
> Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.6 is needed by
package ricci
> Error: Missing Dependency: libssl.so.6 is needed by
package cluster-snmp
> Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.6 is needed by
package modcluster
> Error: Missing Dependency: libssl.so.6 is needed by
package modcluster
> Error: Missing Dependency: libcrypto.so.6 is needed by
package cluster-cim
> 
> There are over 100 lines like these.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janinaa11y.org]
> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:15 AM
> To: Willem van der Walt
> Cc: Janina Sajka; Donald Raikes; orca-listgnome.org
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] upgrading orca in oracle
enterprise linux
> 
> 
> Agree with "should." But for various reasons,
including human error
> specifying things like "requires" statements,
we've certainly seen
> highly inappropriate dependencies being pulled in. Most
recently we've
> seen this with development builds of xulrunner and
firefox 3 from
> development.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Willem van der Walt writes:
> >
> > I think it would mostly upgrade stuff and should
at the end of the day not
> > install a lot of extra stuff.
> > The oracle servers these days normally have X on
them anyway.
> > As stated before, my Redhat and Oracle knowledge
is a bit dated, but I
> > don't think it has changed that mutch in the
meanwhile.
> > Regards, Willem
> >
> > On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Janina Sajka wrote:
> >
> > > This is certainly woprth looking into. It may
be that yum will want to
> > > install far too many packages. But, you
should try enabling the
> > > development repository for Fedora and see. Do
that and issue:
> > >
> > > yum --disablerepo='*'
--enablerepo=development upgrade orca
> > >
> > > and see how much yum needs to pull in. If
you're looking at a handful of
> > > packages, you're good to go.
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Willem van der Walt writes:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > I would suggest that you get the stuff
from Fedora, likely the latest
> > > > version.
> > > > There should be a rpm for atspi and all
the needed dependancies.  There
> > > > should also be an rpm for orca itsellf.
> > > > I am a bit out-dated with the Redhat
stuff, but the Rel versions is fed by
> > > > the tested Fedora stuff.
> > > > Regards, Willem
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 5 Mar 2008, Donald Raikes
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry if this is a duplicate of
earlier questions, but I haven't been able to locate any
info on this.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been trying to find any
notes on how to upgrade orca for oracle enterprise linux.
> > > > >
> > > > > OEL5 is based on rhel5, but with
some oracle specific tweaks.
> > > > > The version of orca installed by
default is orca-1.0.0-el5.
> > > > >
> > > > > A couple of weeks ago I tried to
compile orca 2.21 and had issues with pyatspi which I could
never get resolved.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a specific list of
packages I absolutely need to compile and which order they
should be compiled in?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
_______________________________________________
> > > > > Orca-list mailing list
> > > > > Orca-listgnome.org
> > > > > http
://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
 for more information on Orca
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > This message is subject to the CSIR's
copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and
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> > > > Orca-listgnome.org
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> > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
 for more information on Orca
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Janina
Sajka,	Phone:	+1.202.595.7777;	sip:janinaa11y.org
> > > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://CapitalAccessi
bility.Com
> > >
> > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless
cell phone in the U.S. and Canada
> > > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com

> > >
> > > Chair, Open Accessibility	janinaa11y.org
> > > Linux Foundation		http://a11y.org
> > >
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> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://CapitalAccessi
bility.Com
> 
> Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone
in the U.S. and Canada
> Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com

> 
> Chair, Open Accessibility	janinaa11y.org
> Linux Foundation		http://a11y.org
> 
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Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC	http://CapitalAccessi
bility.Com

Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in
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Linux Foundation		http://a11y.org
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