-=PCTechTalk=- Fw: Re: ATI Radeon - Information you MAY NOT KNOW

Gman,

I will always stand up to folks as they take advantage of so
many folks. 
When I find something wrong..and I get the adjustment I
need, I then usually 
ask to talk to THAT person's supervisor (although I was too
tired today) and 
apprise the supervisor of what I discovered along the way.

I thank them for the adjustment being made for me, but it
should NOT be just 
for me or folks willing to complain,  That should be the way
it is all the 
time.
I told them I appreciate their time and I hope they will
train the employees 
at the lower levels in whatever the issue is.

I was really frustrated when the guy told me he hears this
all the time and 
he says no and they hang up and go away.  He could not
believe I would 
pursue it!

As for the heat... I think the fan on the card may have
stopped working and 
it died.

I have a liquid cooled PC.  The box with the power supply is
all closed up 
and my other half had a hard time trying to get it out.  I
see NO internal 
fans.  There is a vent looking mesh on the outside of the
box where the 
power supply is.  Should that have a fan? Or should it just
let the heat it 
generates just go out that vent by itself.  As I said, my
case feels cool. 
It is running now and when I touch the sides, they are cool,
cooler than 
room temp.

MY case is a bit strange looking.  Nothing like what Jo Ann
was talking 
about.

It is all black.  From a side view, there is an opening in
the middle that 
goes clear through the case.  The DVD & CD drives are in
that top section. 
I tell you that so you can picture how high the opening
is.The opening is 
about 6-8 inches.  On either end of the opening (the inside
of  the opening 
are vents.)
On the outside back of the cpu is a mesh like vent.  And, as
I said, the 
back ( JUST above the video card slot is the power supply
with a mesh vent)

I am going to see if I have enough left in the tank to call
Sony and wade my 
way through the first line techs to get to someone who will
know if this 
computer is suppose to have a fan blowing heat out and if it
is suppose to 
be the power supply.  Wish me luck.. I may put this off till
Thurs as I am 
worn out tonight and have Dr/lab appointments tomorrow and I
am usually 
pooped when done with them....

Thanks for following up with me...
Rose
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: ATI Radeon - Information you MAY
NOT KNOW


Wow Rose.  I am SO proud of you for standing up to him and
forcing the
issue.  I'm also glad it's gonna be taken care of.  Just a
shame the card
stopped working so soon.  Got a lot of heat in your case?

Peace,
GMan

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Hello Rose
if you get a forun based call center
ask to speak with some one from the us
if that don't work try
the home del office
that is another trick to get past those anoying call
centers
and please don't get me started on why I despise forun based
call centers
I hate those things with a passion.
Thanks

73
hank smith
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRoseLovebytes.info>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:12 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Fw: Re: ATI Radeon - Information you
MAY NOT KNOW


> Gman,
>
> I will always stand up to folks as they take advantage
of so many folks.
> When I find something wrong..and I get the adjustment I
need, I then 
> usually
> ask to talk to THAT person's supervisor (although I was
too tired today) 
> and
> apprise the supervisor of what I discovered along the
way.
>
> I thank them for the adjustment being made for me, but
it should NOT be 
> just
> for me or folks willing to complain,  That should be
the way it is all the
> time.
> I told them I appreciate their time and I hope they
will train the 
> employees
> at the lower levels in whatever the issue is.
>
> I was really frustrated when the guy told me he hears
this all the time 
> and
> he says no and they hang up and go away.  He could not
believe I would
> pursue it!
>
> As for the heat... I think the fan on the card may have
stopped working 
> and
> it died.
>
> I have a liquid cooled PC.  The box with the power
supply is all closed up
> and my other half had a hard time trying to get it out.
 I see NO internal
> fans.  There is a vent looking mesh on the outside of
the box where the
> power supply is.  Should that have a fan? Or should it
just let the heat 
> it
> generates just go out that vent by itself.  As I said,
my case feels cool.
> It is running now and when I touch the sides, they are
cool, cooler than
> room temp.
>
> MY case is a bit strange looking.  Nothing like what Jo
Ann was talking
> about.
>
> It is all black.  From a side view, there is an opening
in the middle that
> goes clear through the case.  The DVD & CD drives
are in that top section.
> I tell you that so you can picture how high the opening
is.The opening is
> about 6-8 inches.  On either end of the opening (the
inside of  the 
> opening
> are vents.)
> On the outside back of the cpu is a mesh like vent. 
And, as I said, the
> back ( JUST above the video card slot is the power
supply with a mesh 
> vent)
>
> I am going to see if I have enough left in the tank to
call Sony and wade 
> my
> way through the first line techs to get to someone who
will know if this
> computer is suppose to have a fan blowing heat out and
if it is suppose to
> be the power supply.  Wish me luck.. I may put this off
till Thurs as I am
> worn out tonight and have Dr/lab appointments tomorrow
and I am usually
> pooped when done with them....
>
> Thanks for following up with me...
> Rose
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "GMan" <gman.pcttgmail.com>
> To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:16 PM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: ATI Radeon - Information
you MAY NOT KNOW
>
>
> Wow Rose.  I am SO proud of you for standing up to him
and forcing the
> issue.  I'm also glad it's gonna be taken care of. 
Just a shame the card
> stopped working so soon.  Got a lot of heat in your
case?
>
> Peace,
> GMan
>
> "
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Rose,
    Most power supplies have two openings.  One is inside
the case and can 
be a circular hole or vents of various shapes (lots of small
holes, long 
narrow slits, etc.).  The other is mated to the vent in the
back of the 
computer so a fan mounted inside it can force warm air out
of the back of 
the case.  Since yours came from the factory already water
cooled, they may 
have substituted a fanless PS, but that's not a good idea
unless the PS has 
some humungous heat sinks to prevent the PS from burning
itself up (yes, 
there are such beasts).  I'm now wondering if the PS was
installed wrong. 
Have you examined it closely to see if there are any
openings in places that 
are hard to see, like behind it, on the top or under it?  A
PS that expells 
warm air will go a LONG way toward getting rid of some of
the heat generated 
by the RAM, chipset and Video card (assuming the video card
doesn't already 
expell most of it's hot air out the back).  Sorry, I just
reread your reply 
and see you already took it out of the case, so I know you
know for sure 
that it doesn't have any openings.

    Since your case is black, you're feeling the paint more
than the metal 
when you say it feels cool.  If the vent you see near the PS
isn't directly 
behind the PS (where the PS would impede airflow to that
vent), I would 
definitely suggest adding a fan there.  Unless there's also
an unused vent 
closer to the CPU and Video card locations.  In fact, is
there any way you 
can supply me with the model of this case?  I'd love to take
a real look at 
it to help you better with the fans and such.

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRoseLovebytes.info>
To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:12 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Fw: Re: ATI Radeon - Information you
MAY NOT KNOW


> Gman,
>
> I will always stand up to folks as they take advantage
of so many folks.
> When I find something wrong..and I get the adjustment I
need, I then 
> usually
> ask to talk to THAT person's supervisor (although I was
too tired today) 
> and
> apprise the supervisor of what I discovered along the
way.
>
> I thank them for the adjustment being made for me, but
it should NOT be 
> just
> for me or folks willing to complain,  That should be
the way it is all the
> time.
> I told them I appreciate their time and I hope they
will train the 
> employees
> at the lower levels in whatever the issue is.
>
> I was really frustrated when the guy told me he hears
this all the time 
> and
> he says no and they hang up and go away.  He could not
believe I would
> pursue it!
>
> As for the heat... I think the fan on the card may have
stopped working 
> and
> it died.
>
> I have a liquid cooled PC.  The box with the power
supply is all closed up
> and my other half had a hard time trying to get it out.
 I see NO internal
> fans.  There is a vent looking mesh on the outside of
the box where the
> power supply is.  Should that have a fan? Or should it
just let the heat 
> it
> generates just go out that vent by itself.  As I said,
my case feels cool.
> It is running now and when I touch the sides, they are
cool, cooler than
> room temp.
>
> MY case is a bit strange looking.  Nothing like what Jo
Ann was talking
> about.
>
> It is all black.  From a side view, there is an opening
in the middle that
> goes clear through the case.  The DVD & CD drives
are in that top section.
> I tell you that so you can picture how high the opening
is.The opening is
> about 6-8 inches.  On either end of the opening (the
inside of  the 
> opening
> are vents.)
> On the outside back of the cpu is a mesh like vent. 
And, as I said, the
> back ( JUST above the video card slot is the power
supply with a mesh 
> vent)
>
> I am going to see if I have enough left in the tank to
call Sony and wade 
> my
> way through the first line techs to get to someone who
will know if this
> computer is suppose to have a fan blowing heat out and
if it is suppose to
> be the power supply.  Wish me luck.. I may put this off
till Thurs as I am
> worn out tonight and have Dr/lab appointments tomorrow
and I am usually
> pooped when done with them....
>
> Thanks for following up with me...
> Rose 

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Thanks HANK...

There was one sentence I did not understand.
Try the home del office?  What is that?

I agree with your sentiments about the call centers.  And
probably for the 
same reasons as you. Please note..I said reasonS...not
reason.  There are 
many. lol!
Have a happy..
Rose
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:37 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Fw: Re: ATI Radeon - Information
you MAY NOT 
KNOW


Hello Rose
if you get a forun based call center
ask to speak with some one from the us
if that don't work try
the home del office
that is another trick to get past those anoying call
centers
and please don't get me started on why I despise forun based
call centers
I hate those things with a passion.
Thanks

73


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Where do I find the model number?

The Pc is a Sony  Vaio - VGC-RA710G.
usually I just use the RA710G for Sony.

The power supply does line up with the vent in the back.

Right now the side of the case is off and I can hear NOTHING
..and I can 
feel a slight breeze coming out of the vents in the section
I said was open 
between the top and bottom.

I do not know if the Sony Site has anything on it as it is 2
1/2 yrs old

It is a 3.2 GHz machine with 3 GB ram.  (came with 1 GB)

I will ask Jerry, my other half to look for any openings in
the PS.  I do 
see one hole at the back..and a bunch of wires coming out of
it going down 
under the hard drives which are on the front of the case, 
It is dark in 
here now, but I think the wire go towards the side of the
case..(the one 
that is not open...lol!)

I am not sticking my fingers in there.. for fear of messing
up when the 
machine is run.

The PS case from the back of the pc to the end of the PS is
almost 7".  The 
interior width is about 5".
There is a sticker on the side, but I cannot read it.  It is
too dark and 
the writing is sideways and too small and my eyes are old..
tee hee.
It does say Delta Electronics...like that is a lot of
info...haha!
I will see if we can find some info when we get home from
the Dr/lab tests 
tomorrow.
Thanks for this....
Rose
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To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:35 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Rose's Heat situation


Rose,
    Most power supplies have two openings.  One is inside
the case and can
be a circular hole or vents of various shapes (lots of small
holes, long
narrow slits, etc.).  The other is mated to the vent in the
back of the
computer so a fan mounted inside it can force warm air out
of the back of
the case.  Since yours came from the factory already water
cooled, they may
have substituted a fanless PS, but that's not a good idea
unless the PS has
some humungous heat sinks to prevent the PS from burning
itself up (yes,
there are such beasts).  I'm now wondering if the PS was
installed wrong.
Have you examined it closely to see if there are any
openings in places that
are hard to see, like behind it, on the top or under it?  A
PS that expells
warm air will go a LONG way toward getting rid of some of
the heat generated
by the RAM, chipset and Video card (assuming the video card
doesn't already
expell most of it's hot air out the back).  Sorry, I just
reread your reply
and see you already took it out of the case, so I know you
know for sure
that it doesn't have any openings.

    Since your case is black, you're feeling the paint more
than the metal
when you say it feels cool.  If the vent you see near the PS
isn't directly
behind the PS (where the PS would impede airflow to that
vent), I would
definitely suggest adding a fan there.  Unless there's also
an unused vent
closer to the CPU and Video card locations.  In fact, is
there any way you
can supply me with the model of this case?  I'd love to take
a real look at
it to help you better with the fans and such.

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"



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Gman...

I downloaded the Tutorial ..thanks for the link...I had
looked at stuff 
there..but did not see that.
As for the vents..it is possible the room fan was letting me
a breeze where 
those upper vents are...
So, Don't book on my being right about feeling air moving. 
I am not going 
to put a match there and see if it goes out....lol!

Jerry has put ram in my puter..and he did not take the PS
out.  Guess that 
is why he was complaining about lack of room.. haha!
He will like seeing this tomorrow
Night !

Thanks again,
Rose
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:59 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Rose's Heat situation


Rose,
    Ok, I went there and watched this tutorial on how to
open up the case.
Now that I have seen your case in all it's glory, I can
probably talk more
intelligently about it.         LOL

If anyone else decides to watch it, be aware that it takes a
while to load
on dial-up.
http://wapurl.co.uk/?58P
W13O


    Ok, the power supply has its own vents that stick out
the back of the
case when it's mounted properly.  The tutorial doesn't show
it, but I''m
guessing there's a fan inside the PS on the side that faces
the CPU and
mainboard.  If that's true, it's a very efficient design
having the exhaust
right over the CPU and chipset heatsinks.  Whether the fan
works or not is
another story.  The only way to tell is to plug it in and
turn it on.  If it
doesn't work, demand a replacement.  The vents just above
the side latch
seem to be for fresh air intake, but you said you felt air
exiting the case
from there.  Hard to make a determination from the tutorial
on this.

    For future reference, you should check out this link and
then bookmark
it.  It's the main page for everything related to your PC. 
That includes
drivers, manuals, parts, etc.  Good stuff!
http://wapurl.co.uk/?LKS
10AO

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

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From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRoseLovebytes.info>
To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:11 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Rose's Heat situation


> Where do I find the model number?
>
> The Pc is a Sony  Vaio - VGC-RA710G.
> usually I just use the RA710G for Sony.
>
> The power supply does line up with the vent in the
back.
>
> Right now the side of the case is off and I can hear
NOTHING ..and I can
> feel a slight breeze coming out of the vents in the
section I said was
> open
> between the top and bottom.
>
> I do not know if the Sony Site has anything on it as it
is 2 1/2 yrs old
>
> It is a 3.2 GHz machine with 3 GB ram.  (came with 1
GB)
>
> I will ask Jerry, my other half to look for any
openings in the PS.  I do
> see one hole at the back..and a bunch of wires coming
out of it going down
> under the hard drives which are on the front of the
case,  It is dark in
> here now, but I think the wire go towards the side of
the case..(the one
> that is not open...lol!)
>
> I am not sticking my fingers in there.. for fear of
messing up when the
> machine is run.
>
> The PS case from the back of the pc to the end of the
PS is almost 7".
> The
> interior width is about 5".
> There is a sticker on the side, but I cannot read it. 
It is too dark and
> the writing is sideways and too small and my eyes are
old.. tee hee.
> It does say Delta Electronics...like that is a lot of
info...haha!
> I will see if we can find some info when we get home
from the Dr/lab tests
> tomorrow.
> Thanks for this....
> Rose

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Rose,
    Ok, I went there and watched this tutorial on how to
open up the case. 
Now that I have seen your case in all it's glory, I can
probably talk more 
intelligently about it.         LOL

If anyone else decides to watch it, be aware that it takes a
while to load 
on dial-up.
http://wapurl.co.uk/?58P
W13O


    Ok, the power supply has its own vents that stick out
the back of the 
case when it's mounted properly.  The tutorial doesn't show
it, but I''m 
guessing there's a fan inside the PS on the side that faces
the CPU and 
mainboard.  If that's true, it's a very efficient design
having the exhaust 
right over the CPU and chipset heatsinks.  Whether the fan
works or not is 
another story.  The only way to tell is to plug it in and
turn it on.  If it 
doesn't work, demand a replacement.  The vents just above
the side latch 
seem to be for fresh air intake, but you said you felt air
exiting the case 
from there.  Hard to make a determination from the tutorial
on this.

    For future reference, you should check out this link and
then bookmark 
it.  It's the main page for everything related to your PC. 
That includes 
drivers, manuals, parts, etc.  Good stuff!
http://wapurl.co.uk/?LKS
10AO

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRoseLovebytes.info>
To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:11 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Rose's Heat situation


> Where do I find the model number?
>
> The Pc is a Sony  Vaio - VGC-RA710G.
> usually I just use the RA710G for Sony.
>
> The power supply does line up with the vent in the
back.
>
> Right now the side of the case is off and I can hear
NOTHING ..and I can
> feel a slight breeze coming out of the vents in the
section I said was 
> open
> between the top and bottom.
>
> I do not know if the Sony Site has anything on it as it
is 2 1/2 yrs old
>
> It is a 3.2 GHz machine with 3 GB ram.  (came with 1
GB)
>
> I will ask Jerry, my other half to look for any
openings in the PS.  I do
> see one hole at the back..and a bunch of wires coming
out of it going down
> under the hard drives which are on the front of the
case,  It is dark in
> here now, but I think the wire go towards the side of
the case..(the one
> that is not open...lol!)
>
> I am not sticking my fingers in there.. for fear of
messing up when the
> machine is run.
>
> The PS case from the back of the pc to the end of the
PS is almost 7". 
> The
> interior width is about 5".
> There is a sticker on the side, but I cannot read it. 
It is too dark and
> the writing is sideways and too small and my eyes are
old.. tee hee.
> It does say Delta Electronics...like that is a lot of
info...haha!
> I will see if we can find some info when we get home
from the Dr/lab tests
> tomorrow.
> Thanks for this....
> Rose 

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its another term that folks user to get the forun based call
centers to get 
you over to the us based ones
most call centers have us based ones there the home dell
offices or the home 
offices etc.
a little trick a us call center told me to do if I ever get
the india one or 
other forun based call centers
it may or may not work but its worth a try when you get one
of those.
as far as one of my reasons there taking jobs away from the
us, and also 
jobs that people with disabilities could do quite easily
still ircs me that 
we have to have forun based call centers

73
hank smith
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From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRoseLovebytes.info>
To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:50 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Fw: Re: ATI Radeon - Information
you MAY NOT 
KNOW


> Thanks HANK...
>
> There was one sentence I did not understand.
> Try the home del office?  What is that?
>
> I agree with your sentiments about the call centers. 
And probably for the
> same reasons as you. Please note..I said reasonS...not
reason.  There are
> many. lol!
> Have a happy..
> Rose
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> From: "hank smith" <hanksmith4earthlink.net>
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> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 10:37 PM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Fw: Re: ATI Radeon -
Information you MAY NOT
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> Hello Rose
> if you get a forun based call center
> ask to speak with some one from the us
> if that don't work try
> the home del office
> that is another trick to get past those anoying call
centers
> and please don't get me started on why I despise forun
based call centers
> I hate those things with a passion.
> Thanks
>
> 73
>
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You might want to change the subject of this thread! lol



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>Hi gang. I have an Asus P5VD1-X motherboard. I have 2
512 sticks of 
>RAM in there. I want to add more. Can I add just one
stick or do I 
>have to install 2 at the same time? Thanks much!





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