-=PCTechTalk=- Jo Ann's New system - Dept. of RAM

Jo Ann,
    Considering you've decided on the ASUS P5N-E SLI
mainboard,
http://wapurl.co.uk/?Y78
Q2TM
    I now hesitate to recommend this particular OCZ memory.
http://wapurl.co.uk/?S3T
VSHX

    While the memory is top notch by itself, several people
have reported 
problems getting it to work with your board.  I should point
out that there 
are ALWAYS folks who have problems with any combination of
RAM & boards, but 
this one has OCZ's attention.  Please read the following two
pages for 
clarification.

http://wapurl.co.uk/?OZS
3M9H
http://wapurl.co.uk/?IMM
STON

    From what I've read at various sources, some people
don't experience 
this problem at all while others do.  If you're not afraid
to give it a go, 
it's a killer combination for sure, once it's working. 
According to the OCZ 
forum mod, 1T should work up to DDR2-800 (which is what the
board supports), 
above that, 2T is basically a must (and I suggest you
avoid).  This means 
the rating is basically on the cusp and really depends on
the individual 
sticks you receive.  Since the mainboard defaults this
timing to 1T, if 
either one of the RAM modules just barely passed their QC
tests, it may give 
you issues because the RAM will require the timing to be set
at 2T before 
it'll boot.  Of course, you can't adjust the timings unless
you can at least 
get into the BIOS.  This is why I said earlier that some
folks have gotten 
around this by initially installing cheaper sticks just to
get into the BIOS 
to make the necessary changes.

    So, if you have access to a cheap stick of DDR2, this
will not be that 
big of an issue to you.  Otherwise, I have to suggest we
look elsewhere.

Peace,
GMan

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JoAnn & Gman

Where are you located?

I have a couple of sticks of 512 DDR2 ram I am not using...
(I will have to 
ask my other half to find them.) If I could loan them to you
to get your 
machine going..and then you would have to send them back to
me.
This machine came with 1 GB of RAM  which is two sticks of
512 mb matched. 
This is the type that has to be matched.

I do not know if they will work to get you up and going. 
They are either PC 
2800 or PC 3200.

These may be too old for you..I do not know.  They could be
the wrong type. 
And..my other half has to find them.. lol!  IF we did not
put them in his 
machine already... tee hee...

Let me know if you are interested... and Gman..let me know
if they would 
work.. and then I will ask my other half.  No sense bringing
it up and 
finding out you cannot use them.
Rose
Las Vegas
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Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 11:05 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Jo Ann's New system - Dept. of RAM


Jo Ann,
    Considering you've decided on the ASUS P5N-E SLI
mainboard,
http://wapurl.co.uk/?Y78
Q2TM
    I now hesitate to recommend this particular OCZ memory.
http://wapurl.co.uk/?S3T
VSHX

    While the memory is top notch by itself, several people
have reported
problems getting it to work with your board.  I should point
out that there
are ALWAYS folks who have problems with any combination of
RAM & boards, but
this one has OCZ's attention.  Please read the following two
pages for
clarification.

http://wapurl.co.uk/?OZS
3M9H
http://wapurl.co.uk/?IMM
STON

    From what I've read at various sources, some people
don't experience
this problem at all while others do.  If you're not afraid
to give it a go,
it's a killer combination for sure, once it's working. 
According to the OCZ
forum mod, 1T should work up to DDR2-800 (which is what the
board supports),
above that, 2T is basically a must (and I suggest you
avoid).  This means
the rating is basically on the cusp and really depends on
the individual
sticks you receive.  Since the mainboard defaults this
timing to 1T, if
either one of the RAM modules just barely passed their QC
tests, it may give
you issues because the RAM will require the timing to be set
at 2T before
it'll boot.  Of course, you can't adjust the timings unless
you can at least
get into the BIOS.  This is why I said earlier that some
folks have gotten
around this by initially installing cheaper sticks just to
get into the BIOS
to make the necessary changes.

    So, if you have access to a cheap stick of DDR2, this
will not be that
big of an issue to you.  Otherwise, I have to suggest we
look elsewhere.

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

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Rose,
    As long as they are DDR2 and have a lower rating than
DDR2-800, one of 
them will do the trick because that's all it would take to
be able to boot 
into the BIOS and set up the timings for the new RAM. 
Matching wouldn't 
matter for this purpose.        :O)

    As for location, I'm in Michigan, but that doesn't
matter either.  I 
won't be the one installing them.  I'll just be helping with
instructions 
and pom-poms.      ;O}

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRoseLovebytes.info>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:41 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Jo Ann's New system - Dept. of
RAM


> JoAnn & Gman
>
> Where are you located?
>
> I have a couple of sticks of 512 DDR2 ram I am not
using... (I will have 
> to
> ask my other half to find them.) If I could loan them
to you to get your
> machine going..and then you would have to send them
back to me.
> This machine came with 1 GB of RAM  which is two sticks
of 512 mb matched.
> This is the type that has to be matched.
>
> I do not know if they will work to get you up and
going.  They are either 
> PC
> 2800 or PC 3200.
>
> These may be too old for you..I do not know.  They
could be the wrong 
> type.
> And..my other half has to find them.. lol!  IF we did
not put them in his
> machine already... tee hee...
>
> Let me know if you are interested... and Gman..let me
know if they would
> work.. and then I will ask my other half.  No sense
bringing it up and
> finding out you cannot use them.
> Rose
> Las Vegas 

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From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRoseLovebytes.info>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 1:34 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Jo Ann's New system - Dept. of
RAM


> Gosh...do you ever sleep?  You are a night owl like
me... tee hee!
>
> I really was asking where JoAnn was..then.... because
of the ram info..I 
> put
> your name up there.
> But nice to know where you are.  I have a niece that
lives in Ann Arbor.
> Her and her hubby both work at the university library.
>
> Have a happy....
> I am calling it a night.  It is 1:30 am and I have to
be at the dr/labs
> early.
> Will check to see if I have the available ram
hopefully...tomorrow.
> Rose
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "GMan" <gman.pcttgmail.com>
> To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:17 AM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Jo Ann's New system - Dept.
of RAM
>
>
> Rose,
>    As long as they are DDR2 and have a lower rating
than DDR2-800, one of
> them will do the trick because that's all it would take
to be able to boot
> into the BIOS and set up the timings for the new RAM. 
Matching wouldn't
> matter for this purpose.        :O)
>
>    As for location, I'm in Michigan, but that doesn't
matter either.  I
> won't be the one installing them.  I'll just be helping
with instructions
> and pom-poms.      ;O}
>
> Peace,
> GMan
>
> "The only dumb questions are the ones that are
never asked!"
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes"
<TechRoseLovebytes.info>
> To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:41 AM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Jo Ann's New system - Dept.
of RAM
>
>
>> JoAnn & Gman
>>
>> Where are you located?
>>
>> I have a couple of sticks of 512 DDR2 ram I am not
using... (I will have
>> to
>> ask my other half to find them.) If I could loan
them to you to get your
>> machine going..and then you would have to send them
back to me.
>> This machine came with 1 GB of RAM  which is two
sticks of 512 mb 
>> matched.
>> This is the type that has to be matched.
>>
>> I do not know if they will work to get you up and
going.  They are either
>> PC
>> 2800 or PC 3200.
>>
>> These may be too old for you..I do not know.  They
could be the wrong
>> type.
>> And..my other half has to find them.. lol!  IF we
did not put them in his
>> machine already... tee hee...
>>
>> Let me know if you are interested... and Gman..let
me know if they would
>> work.. and then I will ask my other half.  No sense
bringing it up and
>> finding out you cannot use them.
>> Rose
>> Las Vegas
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Gosh...do you ever sleep?  You are a night owl like me...
tee hee!

I really was asking where JoAnn was..then.... because of the
ram info..I put 
your name up there.
But nice to know where you are.  I have a niece that lives
in Ann Arbor. 
Her and her hubby both work at the university library.

Have a happy....
I am calling it a night.  It is 1:30 am and I have to be at
the dr/labs 
early.
Will check to see if I have the available ram
hopefully...tomorrow.
Rose
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 12:17 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Jo Ann's New system - Dept. of
RAM


Rose,
    As long as they are DDR2 and have a lower rating than
DDR2-800, one of
them will do the trick because that's all it would take to
be able to boot
into the BIOS and set up the timings for the new RAM. 
Matching wouldn't
matter for this purpose.        :O)

    As for location, I'm in Michigan, but that doesn't
matter either.  I
won't be the one installing them.  I'll just be helping with
instructions
and pom-poms.      ;O}

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tech Rose - LoveBytes" <TechRoseLovebytes.info>
To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:41 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Jo Ann's New system - Dept. of
RAM


> JoAnn & Gman
>
> Where are you located?
>
> I have a couple of sticks of 512 DDR2 ram I am not
using... (I will have
> to
> ask my other half to find them.) If I could loan them
to you to get your
> machine going..and then you would have to send them
back to me.
> This machine came with 1 GB of RAM  which is two sticks
of 512 mb matched.
> This is the type that has to be matched.
>
> I do not know if they will work to get you up and
going.  They are either
> PC
> 2800 or PC 3200.
>
> These may be too old for you..I do not know.  They
could be the wrong
> type.
> And..my other half has to find them.. lol!  IF we did
not put them in his
> machine already... tee hee...
>
> Let me know if you are interested... and Gman..let me
know if they would
> work.. and then I will ask my other half.  No sense
bringing it up and
> finding out you cannot use them.
> Rose
> Las Vegas

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Ok GMan,

I saw some of that too, but understood that they were
booting with one stick
of it, then adding the other. How much performance
difference will there be
if we drop to 667?

Jo Ann 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: GMan
Date: 02/21/07 02:06:11
To: PCTechTalk FreeLists Group
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Jo Ann's New system - Dept. of RAM
 
Jo Ann,
    Considering you've decided on the ASUS P5N-E SLI
mainboard,
http://wapurl.co.uk/?Y78
Q2TM
    I now hesitate to recommend this particular OCZ memory.
http://wapurl.co.uk/?S3T
VSHX
 
    While the memory is top notch by itself, several people
have reported
problems getting it to work with your board.  I should point
out that there
are ALWAYS folks who have problems with any combination of
RAM & boards, but
this one has OCZ's attention.  Please read the following two
pages for
clarification.
 
http://wapurl.co.uk/?OZS
3M9H
http://wapurl.co.uk/?IMM
STON
 
    From what I've read at various sources, some people
don't experience
this problem at all while others do.  If you're not afraid
to give it a go,
it's a killer combination for sure, once it's working. 
According to the OCZ
forum mod, 1T should work up to DDR2-800 (which is what the
board supports),
above that, 2T is basically a must (and I suggest you
avoid).  This means
the rating is basically on the cusp and really depends on
the individual
sticks you receive.  Since the mainboard defaults this
timing to 1T, if
either one of the RAM modules just barely passed their QC
tests, it may give
you issues because the RAM will require the timing to be set
at 2T before
it'll boot.  Of course, you can't adjust the timings unless
you can at least
get into the BIOS.  This is why I said earlier that some
folks have gotten
around this by initially installing cheaper sticks just to
get into the BIOS
to make the necessary changes.
 
    So, if you have access to a cheap stick of DDR2, this
will not be that
big of an issue to you.  Otherwise, I have to suggest we
look elsewhere.
 
Peace,
GMan
 
"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"
 
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Jo Ann,
    I'm not so sure it's the fault of the speed of the RAM. 
I'm thinking 
it's the manufacturing of the OCZ sticks that's responsible
here.  OCZ has 
always tried to be at or extremely near the top of the food
chain with their 
RAM.  To be #1, you absolutely have to push the limits of
whatever you're 
doing.  It looks like they may have pushed just a little too
much with this 
model (unless you don't mind the challenge of doing whatever
it takes to 
make them work, of course).

    But therein the rub.  Most of the folks who lay out the
kind of cash 
that these things cost are seasoned high end system builders
who don't even 
need a forum to explain how to work around these types of
issues. 
Personally, I don't have that much experience building super
high-end 
systems because the majority of my customers are typically
working stiffs 
trying to make ends meet.  So, when I buy top rated RAM (as
I do for my own 
systems), I'm right there at the forums trying to separate
the facts from 
the garbage, knowing full well that some of the reviews are
written by 
people working for the competition and some others are
posted by people 
building their first computer.

    Having said all that, I think you would be doing
yourself and your new 
system a serious disservice going with lesser rated RAM. 
Unfortunately, my 
time has been stretched a little thin lately and I haven't
had the time to 
look up some other options for you.  I hope to correct that
tonight as I am 
actually in the mood for some good "forum fodder".
         lol

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jo Ann Weaver" <bookworm54tds.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Jo Ann's New system - Dept. of
RAM


> Ok GMan,
>
> I saw some of that too, but understood that they were
booting with one 
> stick
> of it, then adding the other. How much performance
difference will there 
> be
> if we drop to 667?
>
> Jo Ann
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: GMan
> Date: 02/21/07 02:06:11
> To: PCTechTalk FreeLists Group
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Jo Ann's New system - Dept. of
RAM
>
> Jo Ann,
>    Considering you've decided on the ASUS P5N-E SLI
mainboard,
> http://wapurl.co.uk/?Y78
Q2TM
>    I now hesitate to recommend this particular OCZ
memory.
> http://wapurl.co.uk/?S3T
VSHX
>
>    While the memory is top notch by itself, several
people have reported
> problems getting it to work with your board.  I should
point out that 
> there
> are ALWAYS folks who have problems with any combination
of RAM & boards, 
> but
> this one has OCZ's attention.  Please read the
following two pages for
> clarification.
>
> http://wapurl.co.uk/?OZS
3M9H
> http://wapurl.co.uk/?IMM
STON
>
>    From what I've read at various sources, some people
don't experience
> this problem at all while others do.  If you're not
afraid to give it a 
> go,
> it's a killer combination for sure, once it's working. 
According to the 
> OCZ
> forum mod, 1T should work up to DDR2-800 (which is what
the board 
> supports),
> above that, 2T is basically a must (and I suggest you
avoid).  This means
> the rating is basically on the cusp and really depends
on the individual
> sticks you receive.  Since the mainboard defaults this
timing to 1T, if
> either one of the RAM modules just barely passed their
QC tests, it may 
> give
> you issues because the RAM will require the timing to
be set at 2T before
> it'll boot.  Of course, you can't adjust the timings
unless you can at 
> least
> get into the BIOS.  This is why I said earlier that
some folks have gotten
> around this by initially installing cheaper sticks just
to get into the 
> BIOS
> to make the necessary changes.
>
>    So, if you have access to a cheap stick of DDR2,
this will not be that
> big of an issue to you.  Otherwise, I have to suggest
we look elsewhere.
>
> Peace,
> GMan
>
> "The only dumb questions are the ones that are
never asked!"
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Good Morning, Jo Ann,       (assumption?        perhaps)

Ok, I just ran across an unbiased review of the board
(AnandTech) and it is, 
in fact, a known problem with the board's tightly set
timings and not with 
the RAM.  This issue affects more than just this particular
board, too. 
ASUS is currently working on an updated BIOS that corrects
the problem. 
This basically means there's nothing wrong with the OCZ
we've been 
discussing and, as I suspected, it comes down to the board
makers trying to 
be the best performers and setting their timings too tight.

Alright, as a result of the above revelation, we've now got
to talk about 
mainboard revisions.  When a mobo maker releases a board, it
normally comes 
with the first stable BIOS they designed for it already
installed.  When 
they update the BIOS, they make it available on the internet
for owners of 
that board to download and flash.  If they're still
manufacturing that 
board, they drop the original BIOS and use the newer one
instead.  To 
differentiate between the older and newer boards, they use a
revision 
number.  Subsequent BIOS updates will coincide with higher
revision numbers 
until they eventually stop producing that particular
mainboard.  They may or 
may not continue to produce newer BIOS updates once the
board is no longer 
manufactured.

Having said all that, you're going to want to buy this board
with the new 
BIOS already installed because there's no way for you to
flash the BIOS 
without having installed the RAM already.  It's one of those
catch-22s 
unless you get the newest revision.  Of course, this means
you'll have to 
hold off on the board until it's available with this new
BIOS AND you'll 
have to specifically ask for this revision, since stores
online & off will 
still have some of the older stock they're trying to unload.
 This AnandTech 
review I'm reading is dated Dec 22nd of 2006, so the new
revision may 
already be available.  I'll let you know what I find.

Peace,
GMan

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