-=PCTechTalk=- New External Hard Drive

It arrived yesterday and I waited until this morning so my
brain would be 
fresh!  I thought this would be "a walk in the
park" but turned out not so 
for me.  I spent an hour down under my desk sorting cords
and labeling them 
after discovering that my UPS battery backup was full and I
could not use it 
to connect to power.  Then I went searching and found all my
USB ports are 
full because I have two printers.  I have a hub that I had
quit using 
because I had plenty of ports so I drug it out but was still
faced with 
finding placed to plug in for power.  Also found a power
strip among my 
"stuff" so I think I can work this out but I sure
hope I don't overload 
something.
My son will be here Friday so I plan to pick his brain and
see if he knows 
any more than I do about the connections and what is safe.
Will let you know how this plays out.  In the meantime any
ideas or 
suggestions are welcome.
Sandi 

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Sandi,
    What's currently plugged into the UPS?

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

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From: "Sandi Beach" <sandib2gmail.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- New External Hard Drive


> It arrived yesterday and I waited until this morning so
my brain would be
> fresh!  I thought this would be "a walk in the
park" but turned out not so
> for me.  I spent an hour down under my desk sorting
cords and labeling 
> them
> after discovering that my UPS battery backup was full
and I could not use 
> it
> to connect to power.  Then I went searching and found
all my USB ports are
> full because I have two printers.  I have a hub that I
had quit using
> because I had plenty of ports so I drug it out but was
still faced with
> finding placed to plug in for power.  Also found a
power strip among my
> "stuff" so I think I can work this out but I
sure hope I don't overload
> something.
> My son will be here Friday so I plan to pick his brain
and see if he knows
> any more than I do about the connections and what is
safe.
> Will let you know how this plays out.  In the meantime
any ideas or
> suggestions are welcome.
> Sandi 

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Everything--computer, two printers,external  modem, monitor,
Speakers.  I 
think that is it.  I have just plugged in the power strip
and it is lit up 
with protection on.  Will I compromise my  battery backup if
I just plug the 
External Hard Drive into the power strip,plug the USB 2.0
hub into the power 
strip  , remove Epson connection from it's USB port and plug
in the USB 2.0 
hub, Plug the Epson into the hub and plug the External HD
also into the hub.
If I am clear off base, can you walk me through it?  In the
meanwhile I will 
probably  set a System Restore point and install the Acronis
Software.
Sandi
P.S.  At this point the power strip is plugged into the wall
and not into 
the UPS.  Would need to do some more juggling to do that as
there is not an 
open slot.
And please be advised that I am not at all good at this kind
of thing!  It 
ranks right up there with balancing the checkbook.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GMan" <gman.pcttgmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: New External Hard Drive


> Sandi,
>    What's currently plugged into the UPS?
>
> Peace,
> GMan
>
> "The only dumb questions are the ones that are
never asked!"
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sandi Beach" <sandib2gmail.com>
> To: "pctechtalk" <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 8:39 PM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- New External Hard Drive
>
>
>> It arrived yesterday and I waited until this
morning so my brain would be
>> fresh!  I thought this would be "a walk in the
park" but turned out not 
>> so
>> for me.  I spent an hour down under my desk sorting
cords and labeling
>> them
>> after discovering that my UPS battery backup was
full and I could not use
>> it
>> to connect to power.  Then I went searching and
found all my USB ports 
>> are
>> full because I have two printers.  I have a hub
that I had quit using
>> because I had plenty of ports so I drug it out but
was still faced with
>> finding placed to plug in for power.  Also found a
power strip among my
>> "stuff" so I think I can work this out
but I sure hope I don't overload
>> something.
>> My son will be here Friday so I plan to pick his
brain and see if he 
>> knows
>> any more than I do about the connections and what
is safe.
>> Will let you know how this plays out.  In the
meantime any ideas or
>> suggestions are welcome.
>> Sandi
>
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GMan, I just ran a new BeLarc Advisor so if there is any
information that 
you need in order to help me, it is probably on this
printout.
Sandi
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 12:19 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: New External Hard Drive


> Sandi,
>    What's currently plugged into the UPS?
>
> Peace,
> GMan
>

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I won't be asking you to balance my checkbook, then.        
 :O)

    The power strip should definitely be plugged directly
into the wall and 
should never be used to gain more outlets on the UPS.  It
could very well 
overload the UPS and then nothing would benefit from it.  I
am also assuming 
that the power strip is a quality strip that is rated to
withstand a high 
number of joules.

    If the UPS is designed to protect against brown-outs
(when less than 
full power is delivered to your house by the power lines),
popular opinion 
is to allow the power strip to handle less delicate items
that are not 
required for the computer to run.  That would include items
like printers, 
scanners, powered speakers, MP3 docks, etc..  If the UPS is
not designed 
with brownout protection, add to that list items such as the
USB hub, 
routers, hubs & network switches.

    On the other hand, your external hard drive is
definitely a candidate 
for the UPS.  It's one of the most delicate components
you've got.  Of 
course, the computer tower should be on the UPS, too.

    Perhaps the best way for us to get at your perfect power
setup would be 
for you to send in a list of all items that require power
along with a list 
of the available outlets on both the UPS and the power
strip.


NOTE:  If the power strip light ever goes out or starts
blinking, that means 
that it has absorbed all of the spikes it can handle and
that the time to 
replace it has arrived.  If it still distributes electricity
to all of the 
outlets, it can still be used as a multi-outlet extension
cord, but it will 
no longer protect the items plugged into it.

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sandi Beach" <sandib2gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:20 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: New External Hard Drive


> Everything--computer, two printers,external  modem,
monitor, Speakers.  I
> think that is it.  I have just plugged in the power
strip and it is lit up
> with protection on.  Will I compromise my  battery
backup if I just plug 
> the
> External Hard Drive into the power strip,plug the USB
2.0 hub into the 
> power
> strip  , remove Epson connection from it's USB port and
plug in the USB 
> 2.0
> hub, Plug the Epson into the hub and plug the External
HD also into the 
> hub.
> If I am clear off base, can you walk me through it?  In
the meanwhile I 
> will
> probably  set a System Restore point and install the
Acronis Software.
> Sandi
> P.S.  At this point the power strip is plugged into the
wall and not into
> the UPS.  Would need to do some more juggling to do
that as there is not 
> an
> open slot.
> And please be advised that I am not at all good at this
kind of thing!  It
> ranks right up there with balancing the checkbook. 

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Wow, that was exactly what I needed to know!  Our son is
coming today so 
will be occupied with other things and don't need to bother
him with this 
question.  Thanks a bunch.  And since this is a low priority
item I may not 
get back to you until Monday on the list of things that need
power and the 
available slots.
Thanks again.  You are the greatest!!
Sandi
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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: New External Hard Drive


>I won't be asking you to balance my checkbook, then.    
     :O)
>
>    The power strip should definitely be plugged
directly into the wall and
> should never be used to gain more outlets on the UPS. 
It could very well
> overload the UPS and then nothing would benefit from
it.  I am also 
> assuming
> that the power strip is a quality strip that is rated
to withstand a high
> number of joules.
>
>    If the UPS is designed to protect against brown-outs
(when less than
> full power is delivered to your house by the power
lines), popular opinion
> is to allow the power strip to handle less delicate
items that are not
> required for the computer to run.  That would include
items like printers,
> scanners, powered speakers, MP3 docks, etc..  If the
UPS is not designed
> with brownout protection, add to that list items such
as the USB hub,
> routers, hubs & network switches.
>
>    On the other hand, your external hard drive is
definitely a candidate
> for the UPS.  It's one of the most delicate components
you've got.  Of
> course, the computer tower should be on the UPS, too.
>
>    Perhaps the best way for us to get at your perfect
power setup would be
> for you to send in a list of all items that require
power along with a 
> list
> of the available outlets on both the UPS and the power
strip.
>
>
> NOTE:  If the power strip light ever goes out or starts
blinking, that 
> means
> that it has absorbed all of the spikes it can handle
and that the time to
> replace it has arrived.  If it still distributes
electricity to all of the
> outlets, it can still be used as a multi-outlet
extension cord, but it 
> will
> no longer protect the items plugged into it.
>
> Peace,
> GMan
>
> "The only dumb questions are the ones that are
never asked!"
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sandi Beach" <sandib2gmail.com>
> To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 3:20 PM
> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: New External Hard Drive
>
>
>> Everything--computer, two printers,external  modem,
monitor, Speakers.  I
>> think that is it.  I have just plugged in the power
strip and it is lit 
>> up
>> with protection on.  Will I compromise my  battery
backup if I just plug
>> the
>> External Hard Drive into the power strip,plug the
USB 2.0 hub into the
>> power
>> strip  , remove Epson connection from it's USB port
and plug in the USB
>> 2.0
>> hub, Plug the Epson into the hub and plug the
External HD also into the
>> hub.
>> If I am clear off base, can you walk me through it?
 In the meanwhile I
>> will
>> probably  set a System Restore point and install
the Acronis Software.
>> Sandi
>> P.S.  At this point the power strip is plugged into
the wall and not into
>> the UPS.  Would need to do some more juggling to do
that as there is not
>> an
>> open slot.
>> And please be advised that I am not at all good at
this kind of thing! 
>> It
>> ranks right up there with balancing the checkbook.
>
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O.K. I have spent more time under my desk!  The UPS is a
battery backup for 
when our electricity goes off during a storm.  It has 6
available outlets 
and it now has plugged into it:  Speakers, HP All-inOne
Printer, Epson C88 
printer, the PC Tower, Monitor, and the external Modem.
The Power Strip has 6 available outlets and it is a Tripp
Lite with Power 
Protection.  I have it plugged in to the wall just below the
cord to the UPS 
and I have turned it on to see if it works.  It does.  It is
now sitting 
empty waiting for further instructions.
Another question:  I have the external modem sitting on top
of my tower. 
Can the USB 2.0 hub also sit on top of the tower.  When I
used it that was 
where I put it but I did not also have the external modem at
that time.  So 
would it be best to get a small, sturdy cardboard box,
turned upside down 
and sit those two items on it?  As opposed to the carpeted
floor?
Sandi

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Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:22 PM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: New External Hard Drive


>I won't be asking you to balance my checkbook, then.    
     :O)
>
>    The power strip should definitely be plugged
directly into the wall and
> should never be used to gain more outlets on the UPS. 
It could very well
> overload the UPS and then nothing would benefit from
it.  I am also 
> assuming
> that the power strip is a quality strip that is rated
to withstand a high
> number of joules.
>
>    If the UPS is designed to protect against brown-outs
(when less than
> full power is delivered to your house by the power
lines), popular opinion
> is to allow the power strip to handle less delicate
items that are not
> required for the computer to run.  That would include
items like printers,
> scanners, powered speakers, MP3 docks, etc..  If the
UPS is not designed
> with brownout protection, add to that list items such
as the USB hub,
> routers, hubs & network switches.
>
>    On the other hand, your external hard drive is
definitely a candidate
> for the UPS.  It's one of the most delicate components
you've got.  Of
> course, the computer tower should be on the UPS, too.
>
>    Perhaps the best way for us to get at your perfect
power setup would be
> for you to send in a list of all items that require
power along with a 
> list
> of the available outlets on both the UPS and the power
strip.
>
>
> NOTE:  If the power strip light ever goes out or starts
blinking, that 
> means
> that it has absorbed all of the spikes it can handle
and that the time to
> replace it has arrived.  If it still distributes
electricity to all of the
> outlets, it can still be used as a multi-outlet
extension cord, but it 
> will
> no longer protect the items plugged into it.
>
> Peace,
> GMan
>
> "The only dumb questions are the ones that are
never asked!"
>

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Hi Sandi,
    I'm assuming there's no brownout protection and I'm not
sure how many 
more outlets you need from the power strip, so I'll give
these in order of 
least importance.  Move the first one first.  If you need
more outlets on 
the UPS, move the next one next, etc.  The first one I'd
move to the power 
strip is the speakers.  Then the printers (the least used
one first) and 
finally the modem.

    As far as placing electronic items on top of the tower,
that's a 
practice I wouldn't recommend.  Since heat rises, PC towers
give off a lot 
of heat and electronic items don't work as well when they
get too warm, I'd 
go with the small box idea.  I'll also suggest checking the
bottom of any 
device you're thinking of placing on a carpeted floor for
vents.  Some 
devices have their cool air intake vents on the bottom of
the unit and 
carpet will prevent them from getting any fresh air.

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

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From: "Sandi Beach" <sandib2gmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:44 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: New External Hard Drive


> O.K. I have spent more time under my desk!  The UPS is
a battery backup 
> for
> when our electricity goes off during a storm.  It has 6
available outlets
> and it now has plugged into it:  Speakers, HP All-inOne
Printer, Epson C88
> printer, the PC Tower, Monitor, and the external
Modem.
> The Power Strip has 6 available outlets and it is a
Tripp Lite with Power
> Protection.  I have it plugged in to the wall just
below the cord to the 
> UPS
> and I have turned it on to see if it works.  It does. 
It is now sitting
> empty waiting for further instructions.
> Another question:  I have the external modem sitting on
top of my tower.
> Can the USB 2.0 hub also sit on top of the tower.  When
I used it that was
> where I put it but I did not also have the external
modem at that time. 
> So
> would it be best to get a small, sturdy cardboard box,
turned upside down
> and sit those two items on it?  As opposed to the
carpeted floor?
> Sandi 

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Thanks GMan!  I think I am now ready to proceed.  Got to
watch K-State 
basketball first though.
Sandi
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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: New External Hard Drive


> Hi Sandi,
>    I'm assuming there's no brownout protection and I'm
not sure how many
> more outlets you need from the power strip, so I'll
give these in order of
> least importance.  Move the first one first.  If you
need more outlets on
> the UPS, move the next one next, etc.  The first one
I'd move to the power
> strip is the speakers.  Then the printers (the least
used one first) and
> finally the modem.
>
>    As far as placing electronic items on top of the
tower, that's a
> practice I wouldn't recommend.  Since heat rises, PC
towers give off a lot
> of heat and electronic items don't work as well when
they get too warm, 
> I'd
> go with the small box idea.  I'll also suggest checking
the bottom of any
> device you're thinking of placing on a carpeted floor
for vents.  Some
> devices have their cool air intake vents on the bottom
of the unit and
> carpet will prevent them from getting any fresh air.
>
> Peace,
> GMan
>
> "The only dumb questions are the ones that are
never asked!"

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You just HAVE to quit drinking Sandi...............under
your desk!?!   My My <chuckle>
Regards,

Bob - "The Keyboard Cowboy"

Cincinnati, OH
Scottsdale, AZ
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On Saturday, March 10, 2007, 9:44:19 AM, you wrote:

SB> O.K. I have spent more time under my desk!  The UPS
is a battery backup for
SB> when our electricity goes off during a storm.  It has
6 available outlets
SB> and it now has plugged into it:  Speakers, HP
All-inOne Printer, Epson C88
SB> printer, the PC Tower, Monitor, and the external
Modem.
SB> The Power Strip has 6 available outlets and it is a
Tripp Lite with Power
SB> Protection.  I have it plugged in to the wall just
below the cord to the UPS
SB> and I have turned it on to see if it works.  It does.
 It is now sitting
SB> empty waiting for further instructions.
SB> Another question:  I have the external modem sitting
on top of my tower.
SB> Can the USB 2.0 hub also sit on top of the tower. 
When I used it that was
SB> where I put it but I did not also have the external
modem at that time.  So
SB> would it be best to get a small, sturdy cardboard
box, turned upside down
SB> and sit those two items on it?  As opposed to the
carpeted floor?
SB> Sandi

SB> ----- Original Message ----- 
SB> From: "GMan" <gman.pcttgmail.com>
SB> To: <pctechtalkfreelists.org>
SB> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:22 PM
SB> Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: New External Hard Drive


>>I won't be asking you to balance my checkbook, then.
         :O)

>>    The power strip should definitely be plugged
directly into the wall and
>> should never be used to gain more outlets on the
UPS.  It could very well
>> overload the UPS and then nothing would benefit
from it.  I am also 
>> assuming
>> that the power strip is a quality strip that is
rated to withstand a high
>> number of joules.

>>    If the UPS is designed to protect against
brown-outs (when less than
>> full power is delivered to your house by the power
lines), popular opinion
>> is to allow the power strip to handle less delicate
items that are not
>> required for the computer to run.  That would
include items like printers,
>> scanners, powered speakers, MP3 docks, etc..  If
the UPS is not designed
>> with brownout protection, add to that list items
such as the USB hub,
>> routers, hubs & network switches.

>>    On the other hand, your external hard drive is
definitely a candidate
>> for the UPS.  It's one of the most delicate
components you've got.  Of
>> course, the computer tower should be on the UPS,
too.

>>    Perhaps the best way for us to get at your
perfect power setup would be
>> for you to send in a list of all items that require
power along with a 
>> list
>> of the available outlets on both the UPS and the
power strip.


>> NOTE:  If the power strip light ever goes out or
starts blinking, that 
>> means
>> that it has absorbed all of the spikes it can
handle and that the time to
>> replace it has arrived.  If it still distributes
electricity to all of the
>> outlets, it can still be used as a multi-outlet
extension cord, but it 
>> will
>> no longer protect the items plugged into it.

>> Peace,
>> GMan

>> "The only dumb questions are the ones that are
never asked!"


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