-=PCTechTalk=- Re: Old PC help needed

Sir Troth...afaik it is the full install, and I believe it
to be W98 SE. The 
CD says something like 'only for new PC'. Unfortunately I am
not at their 
house right now, so I can't look at the actual disk. They
have 3 CDs. One 
that says W98, and one says Program Restore (or something
similar...I should 
have written it down) and one for System Restore. Printed on
it says 'will 
restore to the way it was in the beginning'. Geez, I really
should have 
written it down!

They are not home right now for me to call and get the exact
wording. When 
we tried to format & reinstall, it said to follow the on
screen prompts. We 
did that, selecting the 'format and reinstall' choice.

So dratted sorry I didn't get the exact wording.

Sammi

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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 6:25 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Old PC help needed


Sammi, that Windows 98 CD you have, that is the full install
disc? And, is 
it Win98, or Win98SE?

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On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:12:17 -0700, Sammi wrote:
>  That is exactly what we want to do, a complete format
and
>  reinstall. We have backed up everything they needed to
keep. We
>  can't seem to get past that dratted incomplete Scan
Disk, it does
>  report that there is a bad sector.
>
>  We can not find any floppy diskette that I was
accustomed to using
>  in the old days, LOL. Since the previous owners gave
them the
>  Gateway folder with sleeves for the discs with the
ones that came
>  with the PC, I am thinking that maybe there was not
one. It says
>  on the Restore CD, to put in the CD with Windows
running, shut
>  down...reboot and follow the on screen prompts. We did
that, but
>  it reported the bad sector and just continued to
reload W98. The
>  second time we tried it, we were asked if we wanted to
wipe and
>  reinstall. We clicked yes...and still couldn't get
past the Scan
>  Disk error. Apparently it wants to do that first.
>
>  I was wondering if we can do it from DOS, although I
don't know
>  how. Would that work? Very tired right now and it's a
couple of
>  hours past my bedtime, so I'll be looking forward to
getting more
>  input tomorrow.
>
>  Thanks so much,
>  Sammi
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: ~OoO~
>  To: pctechtalkfreelists.org
>  Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:15 PM
>  Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Old PC help needed
>
>
>  I would recommend a complete format and reinstall...
though, if
>  you go this route you need to make sure you backup all
the things
>  you want to keep. If there's anything wrong with that
drive, as it
>  seems tere is, the format will at the very least
"rope off" the
>  bad sectors and allow you to work in peace on the good
sectors.
>
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>  On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:46:11 -0700, Sammi wrote:
> >  I wrote about this problem a while back, but life
became way
> >  too complicated and I didn't get back to my DIL
about it until
> >  yesterday.
> >
> >  Here's the problem:
> >  They were 'gifted' with a Gateway PC which is
running W98 SE.
> >  We have never been able to complete running
ScanDisk. I have
> >  tried it in SafeMode, using Standard. It does say
that there
> >  are no errors. But it does show that there is a
172,xxx bad
> >  sector.
> >
> >  When we try to run a Thorough ScanDisk, it always
gets to a
> >  certain point and then stalls out. I don't know
how else to try
> >  it, except in SafeMode.
> >
> >  Yesterday I tried using the Reinstall CD. I
thought at one
> >  point that it was going to wipe and reinstall
Windows. We have
> >  the CDs for it, and ran the SIW program to pull
up the Product
> >  ID numbers and so forth. But alas, it came up
with the same
> >  notice that it could not complete ScanDisk, so it
didn't
> >  reformat and install.
> >
> >  Any suggestions on how to do this are most
welcome!
> >
> >  TIA,
> >  Sammi 


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Sammi,
    Don't worry about the exact wording on those other
disks.  This will be 
easy to fix since she has that full Win98 install CD.  Since
Troth and I are 
taking you in the same direction (I know him that well.  
lol), I'm going to 
let him finish the details for you.

    In the meantime, ask your friend to create a new Win98
startup disk 
(Start > Settings > Control Panel and then click on
the Startup tab and 
follow the directions).  She will need that floppy for the
directions Troth 
will be posting.  If she already has one, have her make a
new one anyway, 
just in case the old one has developed any corrupted files
since it was 
made.         :O)

Peace,
GMan

"The only dumb questions are the ones that are never
asked!"

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sammi" <sammibresnan.net>
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Old PC help needed


> Sir Troth...afaik it is the full install, and I believe
it to be W98 SE. 
> The
> CD says something like 'only for new PC'. Unfortunately
I am not at their
> house right now, so I can't look at the actual disk.
They have 3 CDs. One
> that says W98, and one says Program Restore (or
something similar...I 
> should
> have written it down) and one for System Restore.
Printed on it says 'will
> restore to the way it was in the beginning'. Geez, I
really should have
> written it down!
>
> They are not home right now for me to call and get the
exact wording. When
> we tried to format & reinstall, it said to follow
the on screen prompts. 
> We
> did that, selecting the 'format and reinstall' choice.
>
> So dratted sorry I didn't get the exact wording.
>
> Sammi 

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I haven't worked with a Windows 98 install in quite awhile.
So, bear with me, as I am very rusty. And, I'm sure Gman can
hop right in to correct me should I need it.
First thing, download a copy of the boot floppy I use.
You'll need it.

You can download it here:
http://www.si
rtroth.com/boot_floppy.zip

Unzip and place all the files onto a floppy. Take that
floppy with you... along with the Windows 98SE CD.

On the computer in question, you'll probably need to go into
the BIOS to make sure its set up to boot from the floppy. Go
into the BIOS and look for the boot sequence. I'd have it in
there as FLOPPY, then CD, then HARD DRIVE.

Ok... place the CD and FLOPPY both into the machine. Restart
the machine.

The floppy should start up and proceed to your beloved DOS.

Once you get to the A:> prompt, you will type in:

FORMAT C: [ENTER]

It will ask if you are sure. You hit Y.

It'll format the whole thing for you.

After the format is done, you will again be at the A:>
prompt.

Go ahead and type:

D: [ENTER]

Now... this is assuming the D drive is the CD-Rom. If its
not, it'll probably give you an error. If you're in the D
drive ok, it'll say:

D:>

You can actually type

DIR [ENTER]

and that'll show you what's on the CD. If you're on the CD,
you should see the following directories in there:

add-ons
cdsample
drivers
tools
win98

If you see that, you're on the correct drive.

Type in:

CD WIN98 [ENTER]

You should now be here:

D:WIN98>

Now you can type in what Gman had said:

SETUP /IS

If Gman thinks you should use the other switches also, he'll
chime in here. For myself, I see no purpose to use the other
switches, which sort of make it more automated. Might be
good, I guess. Heck, actually, I would try WITHOUT using the
/IS switch also first, cause now that the drive is formatted
you might not have that problem anymore. But... either way
is fine.

Anyways... this will start the install. The rest is just
following onscreen instructions.

Again... I am going off the top of my head. But it should be
accurate.


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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:55:15 -0600, Sammi wrote:
>  Sir Troth...afaik it is the full install, and I
believe it to be
>  W98 SE. The CD says something like 'only for new PC'.
>  Unfortunately I am not at their house right now, so I
can't look
>  at the actual disk. They have 3 CDs. One that says
W98, and one
>  says Program Restore (or something similar...I should
have written
>  it down) and one for System Restore. Printed on it
says 'will
>  restore to the way it was in the beginning'. Geez, I
really should
>  have written it down!
>
>  They are not home right now for me to call and get the
exact
>  wording. When we tried to format & reinstall, it
said to follow
>  the on screen prompts. We did that, selecting the
'format and
>  reinstall' choice.
>
>  So dratted sorry I didn't get the exact wording.
>
>  Sammi
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: ~OoO~
>  To: pctechtalkfreelists.org
>  Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 6:25 AM
>  Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Old PC help needed
>
>
>  Sammi, that Windows 98 CD you have, that is the full
install disc?
>  And, is it Win98, or Win98SE?
>
>  ======================================
>  = SirTroth
>  ======================================
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>  ======================================
>
>  On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:12:17 -0700, Sammi wrote:
> >  That is exactly what we want to do, a complete
format and
> >  reinstall. We have backed up everything they
needed to keep. We
> >  can't seem to get past that dratted incomplete
Scan Disk, it
> >  does report that there is a bad sector.
> >
> >  We can not find any floppy diskette that I was
accustomed to
> >  using in the old days, LOL. Since the previous
owners gave them
> >  the Gateway folder with sleeves for the discs
with the ones
> >  that came with the PC, I am thinking that maybe
there was not
> >  one. It says on the Restore CD, to put in the CD
with Windows
> >  running, shut down...reboot and follow the on
screen prompts.
> >  We did that, but it reported the bad sector and
just continued
> >  to reload W98. The second time we tried it, we
were asked if we
> >  wanted to wipe and reinstall. We clicked
yes...and still
> >  couldn't get past the Scan Disk error. Apparently
it wants to
> >  do that first.
> >
> >  I was wondering if we can do it from DOS,
although I don't know
> >  how. Would that work? Very tired right now and
it's a couple of
> >  hours past my bedtime, so I'll be looking forward
to getting
> >  more input tomorrow.
> >
> >  Thanks so much,
> >  Sammi
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: ~OoO~
> >  To: pctechtalkfreelists.org
> >  Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 7:15 PM
> >  Subject: -=PCTechTalk=- Re: Old PC help needed
> >
> >
> >  I would recommend a complete format and
reinstall... though, if
> >  you go this route you need to make sure you
backup all the
> >  things you want to keep. If there's anything
wrong with that
> >  drive, as it seems tere is, the format will at
the very least
> >  "rope off" the bad sectors and allow
you to work in peace on
> >  the good sectors.
> >
> >  ======================================
> >  = SirTroth
> >  ======================================
> >  = ICQ: 1717439
> >  = YAHOO: SirTroth
> >  = SKYPE: SirTroth
> >  = XFIRE: SirTroth
> >  = AIM/AOL: SirTrothX
> >  = http://ut2004.sirtroth.com

> >  = MSN: SirTrothhotmail.com (don't email me
here)
> >  ======================================
> >
> >
> >  On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:46:11 -0700, Sammi wrote:
> >
> > >  I wrote about this problem a while back, but
life became way
> > >  too complicated and I didn't get back to my
DIL about it
> > >  until yesterday.
> > >
> > >  Here's the problem:
> > >  They were 'gifted' with a Gateway PC which
is running W98
> > >  SE. We have never been able to complete
running ScanDisk. I
> > >  have tried it in SafeMode, using Standard.
It does say that
> > >  there are no errors. But it does show that
there is a
> > >  172,xxx bad sector.
> > >
> > >  When we try to run a Thorough ScanDisk, it
always gets to a
> > >  certain point and then stalls out. I don't
know how else to
> > >  try it, except in SafeMode.
> > >
> > >  Yesterday I tried using the Reinstall CD. I
thought at one
> > >  point that it was going to wipe and
reinstall Windows. We
> > >  have the CDs for it, and ran the SIW program
to pull up the
> > >  Product ID numbers and so forth. But alas,
it came up with
> > >  the same notice that it could not complete
ScanDisk, so it
> > >  didn't reformat and install.
> > >
> > >  Any suggestions on how to do this are most
welcome!
> > >
> > >  TIA,
> > >  Sammi
> > >
>
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