RE: FW: PCWorks: Who is Lisa Schnepf?

A few things: First, I've been on this list for YEARS - you
think
someone would have known who I was? I know I don't post that
often, but
I have posted a lot over the years, and Clint, you are one
of the people
who have helped me a lot. I would never try to spam someone
on purpose!
That's the whole idea of me getting this program to begin
with. I was
using NIS 2006 and it HAD an antispam filter for a long
time, then they
took it out. I wish they didn't. I have NIS 2007 and it
doesn't have the
spam filter. Do you have any suggestions on a better one? I
have been
looking and can't find one. I tried to add your email
address to the
allowed list on this antispam program (Comodo Antispam 2005)
and it says
you're already on the list. How do I add a whole list's
email address
without having to add people individually? I'm on another
list that gets
a LOT of email and I have to keep adding people
individually. I get a
lot of email, so I get a lot of spam. I'm not trying to pass
spam on
others, I'm trying to get rid of it. I use Outlook for my
email because
my Pocket PC synchronizes with it. If you can help me,
please do, but it
hurt when you suggested knocking me off the list - thanks a
lot! 

Lisa



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pcworksimagicomm.com [mailto:owner-pcworksimagicomm.com]
On Behalf Of Clint - OrpheusComputing.com &
ComputersCustomBuilt.com
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:37 AM
To: pcworksimagicomm.com
Subject: Re: FW: PCWorks: Who is Lisa Schnepf?


I'm inclined to agree with Hugh, sorry Lisa.

I thought I answered your comment in my original post, but
here 
it is again:

"I DO NOT reply to these because these places
blackmail/extort you into
using them.  Once they get your email address, they will
then start
sending YOU various BS (that's Spam)."

Optonline.net is one of the worse USA ISP's as far as Spam 
goes.  2nd or 3rd maybe to Comcast, Cogencto and maybe
Verizon. 
More UCE comes FROM these ISP's than any other.  I have been

forced to block more of the latter 3's IP addresses with my

email filters than any other in the USA, that's how bad it
is.

I would tell your ISP you need a new email address from
them, 
and if you were careful about your original address, TELL
THEM 
this; it's been believed that these aforementioned ISP's 
actually SELL their members' email addresses to nefarious 
places.

Isn't there a way you can add this list's email address to
some 
whitelist?
-Clint

God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://www.OrpheusCom
puting.com http://www.Comput
ersCustomBuilt.com
http://Computer-Hardware-Sales-Consumer-Electronics
-Sales.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hugh Vandervoort"

Lisa, in your attempt to protect yourself, you're Spamming 
others and
asking them to inconvenience themselves on your behalf. I 
suggest this
is not a good solution. Imagine having to reply to hundreds
of 
these
emails for every list you're on. Not going to happen. In a 
similar
situation with Ralph (I think it was Ralph) Marlene
considered 
removing
him from the list. You should figure out how to add these
names
yourself, or just get Thunderbird
(http://www.
mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/)  which solves this 
problem
without intruding on others' time.
This type of SPAM protection is never going to work, so you

might as
well switch now.
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Perhaps you didn't read my email.
I get a lot of email, and virtually no SPAM.
Thunderbird has a superb SPAM/Junk filter that will solve
your problem 
without any of this hassle. It will also import all your
contacts, mail 
and settings.
I personally detest NIS, and have removed it every time I've
run into it.
Windows Defender and AVG Free will do the job cheaper and
better.
You can read about challenge/response SPAM filters here:
http://spamlinks.n
et/filter-cr.htm
I particularly like this one:
"Challenge-response systems are as harmful as
spam." "...challenge 
systems will destroy e-mail
as we know it."
http://www.po
litechbot.com/p-04746.html

Lisa Schnepf wrote:
> A few things: First, I've been on this list for YEARS -
you think
> someone would have known who I was? I know I don't post
that often, but
> I have posted a lot over the years, and Clint, you are
one of the people
> who have helped me a lot. I would never try to spam
someone on purpose!
> That's the whole idea of me getting this program to
begin with. I was
> using NIS 2006 and it HAD an antispam filter for a long
time, then they
> took it out. I wish they didn't. I have NIS 2007 and it
doesn't have the
> spam filter. Do you have any suggestions on a better
one? I have been
> looking and can't find one. I tried to add your email
address to the
> allowed list on this antispam program (Comodo Antispam
2005) and it says
> you're already on the list. How do I add a whole list's
email address
> without having to add people individually? I'm on
another list that gets
> a LOT of email and I have to keep adding people
individually. I get a
> lot of email, so I get a lot of spam. I'm not trying to
pass spam on
> others, I'm trying to get rid of it. I use Outlook for
my email because
> my Pocket PC synchronizes with it. If you can help me,
please do, but it
> hurt when you suggested knocking me off the list -
thanks a lot! 
> 
> Lisa
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Because I'm very busy with hundreds of emails per day and 
customers, I can only recall right off hand most of the most

frequent postees at this list.  After some thought, yes, I 
remember you now.  

No one is saying that you are trying to Spam someone on
purpose 
Lisa.  But for all of those that continuously receive this 
"challenge systems", it can be considered a form
of Spam to the 
recipient.

The suggestions I previously gave you is a starting point 
(about your ISP).  If you don't have a website, you can get
one 
and get it hosted for really cheap.  A domain name (plus 
hosting by with whomever you register it) for about $1.99,
but 
the hosting may be a bit more.  A domain name for about 
$6.95-$8.95, then really GOOD hosting for about $4.95 a
month 
(get one that uses the cPanel hosting software).  The
purpose 
of that would be your domain would have as many email
addresses 
as you wanted, yours to delete and create at will, and
FILTERED 
by cPanel's "Email filters" to which you can
create up to 999 
email filters blocking anything you chose in the header, 
subject, or message body.

I am unfamiliar with how your current Spam system works. 
There 
may be a way to add to some whitelist, any emails with this

list's email address in the header.  Like the list's emails

show in the header "reply to: [list's email
address]", so see 
if you could possibly add that to a whitelist.  It's
possible 
that won't work and you'd have to add all the list members'

addresses which would be a pain.  For more info on that,
you'd 
have to contact them, or someone else that uses the same 
system.

I never suggested the sender of these emails (you) to be 
removed from the list.  My exact words, at the bottom of my

post, were:

"If anyone knows her, please tell her to do something
about it.
Thanks,"

See?  
-Clint

God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://www.OrpheusCom
puting.com
http://www.Comput
ersCustomBuilt.com
http://Computer-Hardware-Sales-Consumer-Electronics
-Sales.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisa Schnepf"

A few things: First, I've been on this list for YEARS - you

think
someone would have known who I was? I know I don't post that

often, but
I have posted a lot over the years, and Clint, you are one
of 
the people
who have helped me a lot. I would never try to spam someone
on 
purpose!
That's the whole idea of me getting this program to begin
with. 
I was
using NIS 2006 and it HAD an antispam filter for a long
time, 
then they
took it out. I wish they didn't. I have NIS 2007 and it
doesn't 
have the
spam filter. Do you have any suggestions on a better one? I

have been
looking and can't find one. I tried to add your email
address 
to the
allowed list on this antispam program (Comodo Antispam 2005)

and it says
you're already on the list. How do I add a whole list's
email 
address
without having to add people individually? I'm on another
list 
that gets
a LOT of email and I have to keep adding people
individually. I 
get a
lot of email, so I get a lot of spam. I'm not trying to pass

spam on
others, I'm trying to get rid of it. I use Outlook for my
email 
because
my Pocket PC synchronizes with it. If you can help me,
please 
do, but it
hurt when you suggested knocking me off the list - thanks a

lot!

Lisa



-----Original Message-----
Clint - OrpheusComputing.com

I'm inclined to agree with Hugh, sorry Lisa.

I thought I answered your comment in my original post, but
here
it is again:

"I DO NOT reply to these because these places
blackmail/extort 
you into
using them.  Once they get your email address, they will
then 
start
sending YOU various BS (that's Spam)."

Optonline.net is one of the worse USA ISP's as far as Spam
goes.  2nd or 3rd maybe to Comcast, Cogencto and maybe
Verizon.
More UCE comes FROM these ISP's than any other.  I have
been
forced to block more of the latter 3's IP addresses with my
email filters than any other in the USA, that's how bad it
is.

I would tell your ISP you need a new email address from
them,
and if you were careful about your original address, TELL
THEM
this; it's been believed that these aforementioned ISP's
actually SELL their members' email addresses to nefarious
places.

Isn't there a way you can add this list's email address to
some
whitelist?
-Clint


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hugh Vandervoort"

Lisa, in your attempt to protect yourself, you're Spamming
others and
asking them to inconvenience themselves on your behalf. I
suggest this
is not a good solution. Imagine having to reply to hundreds
of
these
emails for every list you're on. Not going to happen. In a
similar
situation with Ralph (I think it was Ralph) Marlene
considered
removing
him from the list. You should figure out how to add these
names
yourself, or just get Thunderbird
(http://www.
mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/)  which solves this
problem
without intruding on others' time.
This type of SPAM protection is never going to work, so you
might as
well switch now.
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I moderate a couple of Yahoo lists, and will not allow a
member to use a 
challenge/response spam filter on either of them.  Period. 
I will not ask 
list members to jump through these hoops for another
member.

Sue

>I particularly like this one:
>"Challenge-response systems are as harmful as
spam." "...challenge systems 
>will destroy e-mail
>as we know it."
>http://www.po
litechbot.com/p-04746.html
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Lisa,
The only way to get rid of SPAM is to stay of the Internet.
If you are getting a lot of SPAM, try changing email
addresses and be
careful where you post your new email address. I change mine
about every two
years when my SPAM gets out of control.
Fact is, of all the lists I am on, I do not respond to these
emails when I
get them. The only person that hurst is the person that was
hoping for a
response.
It seems the companies that appear to offer aggressive
methods to its
customers to combat SPAM are the ones that are selling email
addresses.
AOL, Earthlink, Hotmail are a few bigguns!
Jeff
mailto:supporthdtvrepair.tv
www.hdtvrepair.tv   www.intrepid-video.com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pcworksimagicomm.com [mailto:owner-pcworksimagicomm.com] On
Behalf Of Lisa Schnepf
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:39 AM
To: pcworksimagicomm.com
Subject: RE: FW: PCWorks: Who is Lisa Schnepf?

A few things: First, I've been on this list for YEARS - you
think
someone would have known who I was? I know I don't post that
often, but
I have posted a lot over the years, and Clint, you are one
of the people
who have helped me a lot. I would never try to spam someone
on purpose!
That's the whole idea of me getting this program to begin
with. I was
using NIS 2006 and it HAD an antispam filter for a long
time, then they
took it out. I wish they didn't. I have NIS 2007 and it
doesn't have the
spam filter. Do you have any suggestions on a better one? I
have been
looking and can't find one. I tried to add your email
address to the
allowed list on this antispam program (Comodo Antispam 2005)
and it says
you're already on the list. How do I add a whole list's
email address
without having to add people individually? I'm on another
list that gets
a LOT of email and I have to keep adding people
individually. I get a
lot of email, so I get a lot of spam. I'm not trying to pass
spam on
others, I'm trying to get rid of it. I use Outlook for my
email because
my Pocket PC synchronizes with it. If you can help me,
please do, but it
hurt when you suggested knocking me off the list - thanks a
lot! 

Lisa



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pcworksimagicomm.com [mailto:owner-pcworksimagicomm.com]
On Behalf Of Clint - OrpheusComputing.com &
ComputersCustomBuilt.com
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 7:37 AM
To: pcworksimagicomm.com
Subject: Re: FW: PCWorks: Who is Lisa Schnepf?


I'm inclined to agree with Hugh, sorry Lisa.

I thought I answered your comment in my original post, but
here 
it is again:

"I DO NOT reply to these because these places
blackmail/extort you into
using them.  Once they get your email address, they will
then start
sending YOU various BS (that's Spam)."

Optonline.net is one of the worse USA ISP's as far as Spam 
goes.  2nd or 3rd maybe to Comcast, Cogencto and maybe
Verizon. 
More UCE comes FROM these ISP's than any other.  I have been

forced to block more of the latter 3's IP addresses with my

email filters than any other in the USA, that's how bad it
is.

I would tell your ISP you need a new email address from
them, 
and if you were careful about your original address, TELL
THEM 
this; it's been believed that these aforementioned ISP's 
actually SELL their members' email addresses to nefarious 
places.

Isn't there a way you can add this list's email address to
some 
whitelist?
-Clint

God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://www.OrpheusCom
puting.com http://www.Comput
ersCustomBuilt.com
http://Computer-Hardware-Sales-Consumer-Electronics
-Sales.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hugh Vandervoort"

Lisa, in your attempt to protect yourself, you're Spamming 
others and
asking them to inconvenience themselves on your behalf. I 
suggest this
is not a good solution. Imagine having to reply to hundreds
of 
these
emails for every list you're on. Not going to happen. In a 
similar
situation with Ralph (I think it was Ralph) Marlene
considered 
removing
him from the list. You should figure out how to add these
names
yourself, or just get Thunderbird
(http://www.
mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/)  which solves this 
problem
without intruding on others' time.
This type of SPAM protection is never going to work, so you

might as
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