Re: PCWorks: Who is Lisa Schnepf?

Hi Clint,

  I think I was able to add the list to my allowed list, but
for some
reason, your emails still keep coming under the quarantine
database. I
don't know why. I have to go to work soon, so I'll have to
work more on
this tomorrow. Thank you for your suggestion, and I'm sorry
for being a
pain. BTW, I should have worded my last comment better. I
didn't mean
that you mentioned having me romoved from the list. It was
Hugh's email
that hinted toward's it. His quote --> " In a
similar 
situation with Ralph (I think it was Ralph) Marlene
considered removing 
him from the list."

Lisa

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pcworksimagicomm.com [mailto:owner-pcworksimagicomm.com]
On Behalf Of Clint - OrpheusComputing.com &
ComputersCustomBuilt.com
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:03 PM
To: pcworksimagicomm.com
Subject: Re: FW: PCWorks: Who is Lisa Schnepf?


Because I'm very busy with hundreds of emails per day and 
customers, I can only recall right off hand most of the most

frequent postees at this list.  After some thought, yes, I 
remember you now.  

No one is saying that you are trying to Spam someone on
purpose 
Lisa.  But for all of those that continuously receive this 
"challenge systems", it can be considered a form
of Spam to the 
recipient.

The suggestions I previously gave you is a starting point 
(about your ISP).  If you don't have a website, you can get
one 
and get it hosted for really cheap.  A domain name (plus 
hosting by with whomever you register it) for about $1.99,
but 
the hosting may be a bit more.  A domain name for about 
$6.95-$8.95, then really GOOD hosting for about $4.95 a
month 
(get one that uses the cPanel hosting software).  The
purpose 
of that would be your domain would have as many email
addresses 
as you wanted, yours to delete and create at will, and
FILTERED 
by cPanel's "Email filters" to which you can
create up to 999 
email filters blocking anything you chose in the header, 
subject, or message body.

I am unfamiliar with how your current Spam system works. 
There 
may be a way to add to some whitelist, any emails with this

list's email address in the header.  Like the list's emails

show in the header "reply to: [list's email
address]", so see 
if you could possibly add that to a whitelist.  It's
possible 
that won't work and you'd have to add all the list members'

addresses which would be a pain.  For more info on that,
you'd 
have to contact them, or someone else that uses the same 
system.

I never suggested the sender of these emails (you) to be 
removed from the list.  My exact words, at the bottom of my

post, were:

"If anyone knows her, please tell her to do something
about it. Thanks,"

See?  
-Clint

God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://www.OrpheusCom
puting.com http://www.Comput
ersCustomBuilt.com
http://Computer-Hardware-Sales-Consumer-Electronics
-Sales.com
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I think it might be a good idea if we didn't use the word
"spam" for
every kind of nuisance message that we would prefer not to
receive.  It
can lead to misunderstandings.

However, Lisa, the point is that the anti-spam system that
you are
trying to use MIGHT work on an address that you want to keep
special and
that receives limited traffic.  However it is  _completely
incompatible_
with membership on mailing lists such as this one and gives
everybody a
pain in the neck.  We've had this problem here not once but
several
times over the years, and of course on other lists too.

I belong to one carefully moderated list that has a rule
that people who
use those "challenge systems" receive one warning,
and then OUT.  No
"hinting" or "considering".

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisa Schnepf" <lars2optonline.net>
To: "PCWorks" <PCWorksimagicomm.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: PCWorks: Who is Lisa Schnepf?


> Hi Clint,
>
>   I think I was able to add the list to my allowed
list, but for some
> reason, your emails still keep coming under the
quarantine database. I
> don't know why. I have to go to work soon, so I'll have
to work more
on
> this tomorrow. Thank you for your suggestion, and I'm
sorry for being
a
> pain. BTW, I should have worded my last comment better.
I didn't mean
> that you mentioned having me romoved from the list. It
was Hugh's
email
> that hinted toward's it. His quote --> " In a
similar
> situation with Ralph (I think it was Ralph) Marlene
considered
removing
> him from the list."
>
> Lisa
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Let's call a spade a spade.
SPAM, defined:
   1. To send unsolicited e-mail to.
    2. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple
mailing lists, 
individuals, or newsgroups.

Whatever the motivation of the sender, she or he is not the
recipient of 
these annoying, time consuming emails.
This list is for the mutual education of the members, and I
believe 
we've all been thoroughly educated on this topic.
There's nothing wrong with making the kind of error Lisa
made, but 
failure to fix it calls for removal, in my opinion.
By the way, I haven't gotten any more SPAM from Lisa, so she
must be 
making progress.


John O'Flynn wrote:
> I think it might be a good idea if we didn't use the
word "spam" for
> every kind of nuisance message that we would prefer not
to receive.  It
> can lead to misunderstandings.
> 
> However, Lisa, the point is that the anti-spam system
that you are
> trying to use MIGHT work on an address that you want to
keep special and
> that receives limited traffic.  However it is 
_completely incompatible_
> with membership on mailing lists such as this one and
gives everybody a
> pain in the neck.  We've had this problem here not once
but several
> times over the years, and of course on other lists
too.
> 
> I belong to one carefully moderated list that has a
rule that people who
> use those "challenge systems" receive one
warning, and then OUT.  No
> "hinting" or "considering".
> 
> John
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Well, Hugh, you got me thinking, and I tracked down your
definition to
the American Heritage Dictionary.  So it seems I will have
to withdraw
my first recommendation and use "spam" even for a
single unwanted email,
and even though it's not trying to sell anything or convert
anybody to
anything.  I always thought of spam as  _bulk_  mailing for
the purpose
of solicitation.  But so be it.  From here on, I will always
call a
spade a spade.

There is something a bit surreal about this thread being
immortalized
for posterity under the heading "Who is Lisa
Schnepf?"  Sounds like the
title for a psychological thriller.  I hope the real Lisa
has a sense of
humor and is giggling over the whole thing.

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hugh Vandervoort" <hughv2verizon.net>
To: <pcworksimagicomm.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: PCWorks: Who is Lisa Schnepf?


> Let's call a spade a spade.
> SPAM, defined:
>    1. To send unsolicited e-mail to.
>     2. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple
mailing lists,
> individuals, or newsgroups.
>
> Whatever the motivation of the sender, she or he is not
the recipient
of
> these annoying, time consuming emails.
> This list is for the mutual education of the members,
and I believe
> we've all been thoroughly educated on this topic.
> There's nothing wrong with making the kind of error
Lisa made, but
> failure to fix it calls for removal, in my opinion.
> By the way, I haven't gotten any more SPAM from Lisa,
so she must be
> making progress.
>
>
> John O'Flynn wrote:
> > I think it might be a good idea if we didn't use
the word "spam" for
> > every kind of nuisance message that we would
prefer not to receive.
It
> > can lead to misunderstandings.
> >
> > However, Lisa, the point is that the anti-spam
system that you are
> > trying to use MIGHT work on an address that you
want to keep special
and
> > that receives limited traffic.  However it is 
_completely
incompatible_
> > with membership on mailing lists such as this one
and gives
everybody a
> > pain in the neck.  We've had this problem here not
once but several
> > times over the years, and of course on other lists
too.
> >
> > I belong to one carefully moderated list that has
a rule that people
who
> > use those "challenge systems" receive
one warning, and then OUT.  No
> > "hinting" or "considering".
> >
> > John
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Technically, according to the FTC, (email) Spam is UCE which
is 
Unsolicited Commercial Email.  I usually use the term UCE,
but 
when I do someone always asks "what is UCE?" so I
have to use 
"Spam" at some places.  I think however they
should (and maybe 
have) broadened their definition of it to include anything 
undesirable unsolicited.
-Clint

God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://www.OrpheusCom
puting.com )
http://www.Comput
ersCustomBuilt.com
http://Computer-Hardware-Sales-Consumer-Electronics
-Sales.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John O'Flynn"

Well, Hugh, you got me thinking, and I tracked down your 
definition to
the American Heritage Dictionary.  So it seems I will have
to 
withdraw
my first recommendation and use "spam" even for a
single 
unwanted email,
and even though it's not trying to sell anything or convert

anybody to
anything.  I always thought of spam as  _bulk_  mailing for
the 
purpose
of solicitation.  But so be it.  From here on, I will always

call a
spade a spade.

There is something a bit surreal about this thread being 
immortalized
for posterity under the heading "Who is Lisa
Schnepf?"  Sounds 
like the
title for a psychological thriller.  I hope the real Lisa
has a 
sense of
humor and is giggling over the whole thing.

John


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hugh Vandervoort"

> Let's call a spade a spade.
> SPAM, defined:
>    1. To send unsolicited e-mail to.
>     2. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple

> mailing lists,
> individuals, or newsgroups.
>
> Whatever the motivation of the sender, she or he is not
the 
> recipient
of
> these annoying, time consuming emails.
> This list is for the mutual education of the members,
and I 
> believe
> we've all been thoroughly educated on this topic.
> There's nothing wrong with making the kind of error
Lisa 
> made, but
> failure to fix it calls for removal, in my opinion.
> By the way, I haven't gotten any more SPAM from Lisa,
so she 
> must be
> making progress.
>
>
> John O'Flynn wrote:
> > I think it might be a good idea if we didn't use
the word 
> > "spam" for
> > every kind of nuisance message that we would
prefer not to 
> > receive.
It
> > can lead to misunderstandings.
> >
> > However, Lisa, the point is that the anti-spam
system that 
> > you are
> > trying to use MIGHT work on an address that you
want to 
> > keep special
and
> > that receives limited traffic.  However it is 
_completely
incompatible_
> > with membership on mailing lists such as this one
and gives
everybody a
> > pain in the neck.  We've had this problem here not
once but 
> > several
> > times over the years, and of course on other lists
too.
> >
> > I belong to one carefully moderated list that has
a rule 
> > that people
who
> > use those "challenge systems" receive
one warning, and then 
> > OUT.  No
> > "hinting" or "considering".
> >
> > John
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I haven't personally seen anymore of the emails.

It's not a pain.    If you
need any help on domain names and 
a site, just ask.
-Clint

God Bless
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://www.OrpheusCom
puting.com
http://www.Comput
ersCustomBuilt.com
http://Computer-Hardware-Sales-Consumer-Electronics
-Sales.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lisa Schnepf"

Hi Clint,

  I think I was able to add the list to my allowed list, but

for some
reason, your emails still keep coming under the quarantine 
database. I
don't know why. I have to go to work soon, so I'll have to
work 
more on
this tomorrow. Thank you for your suggestion, and I'm sorry
for 
being a
pain. BTW, I should have worded my last comment better. I 
didn't mean
that you mentioned having me romoved from the list. It was 
Hugh's email
that hinted toward's it. His quote --> " In a
similar
situation with Ralph (I think it was Ralph) Marlene
considered 
removing
him from the list."

Lisa

-----Original Message-----


Because I'm very busy with hundreds of emails per day and
customers, I can only recall right off hand most of the
most
frequent postees at this list.  After some thought, yes, I
remember you now.  

No one is saying that you are trying to Spam someone on
purpose
Lisa.  But for all of those that continuously receive this
"challenge systems", it can be considered a form
of Spam to the
recipient.

The suggestions I previously gave you is a starting point
(about your ISP).  If you don't have a website, you can get
one
and get it hosted for really cheap.  A domain name (plus
hosting by with whomever you register it) for about $1.99,
but
the hosting may be a bit more.  A domain name for about
$6.95-$8.95, then really GOOD hosting for about $4.95 a
month
(get one that uses the cPanel hosting software).  The
purpose
of that would be your domain would have as many email
addresses
as you wanted, yours to delete and create at will, and
FILTERED
by cPanel's "Email filters" to which you can
create up to 999
email filters blocking anything you chose in the header,
subject, or message body.

I am unfamiliar with how your current Spam system works. 
There
may be a way to add to some whitelist, any emails with this
list's email address in the header.  Like the list's emails
show in the header "reply to: [list's email
address]", so see
if you could possibly add that to a whitelist.  It's
possible
that won't work and you'd have to add all the list members'
addresses which would be a pain.  For more info on that,
you'd
have to contact them, or someone else that uses the same
system.

I never suggested the sender of these emails (you) to be
removed from the list.  My exact words, at the bottom of my
post, were:

"If anyone knows her, please tell her to do something
about it. 
Thanks,"

See?  
-Clint
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