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RE: PDT 1.0
country flaguser name
Israel
2007-03-29 06:01:47

Hi Thomas and Dave,

 

Since the project is in incubation it’s possible to have IP issues as part of the build. Once I call it 0.7 it’s like ignoring Eclipse process and declaring the release by myself which I’m sure is not acceptable by Eclipse.org.

 

The latest integration from Feb 26 is the most stable and relevant version.

 

What do you suggest?

 

--
Yossi Leon

Product Manager, Development Tools

;PDT Project Leader
yossizend.com
http://www.zend.com/ +1-212-645-0040

 

http://blogs.zend.com/author/yossi/

 


From: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org [mailto:pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org] On Behalf Of Thomas M. Ose
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:49 PM
To: 'PDT Developers'
Subject: RE: [pdt-dev] PDT 1.0

 

Yossi,

 

I would have to agree with Dave that we need a base release to bring everyone to the same playing field, even if it is stable release of the last integration build and call it 0.7

 


Thomas M. Ose
Ose Micro Solutions, Inc.


From: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org [mailto:pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org] On Behalf Of Dave Kelsey
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:14 AM
To: PDT Developers
Subject: Re: [pdt-dev] PDT 1.0

 


Yossi, I think you need to release a 0.7 version. Currently there are users on Rc2, others on various integration builds and I think it would be better to have a single version that all users download and report on until 1.0 is delivered. It will be confusing for both users and developers if there are multiple versions.

Regards

Dave Kelsey

"Yossi Leon&quot; <yossizend.com&gt;
Sent by: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org

28/03/2007 23:01

Please respond to
PDT Developers <pdt-deveclipse.org>

To

<pdt-deveclipse.org>

cc

 

Subject

[pdt-dev] PDT 1.0

 

 

 




Hi All,
 
I would like to share with you the thoughts regarding PDT 1.0 as you can see below.
 
If you find any reason not to skip 0.7 and to move forward with 1.0, please let us know.
 
Thanks,
--
Yossi Leon

Product Manager, Development Tools
& PDT Project Leader
yossizend.com
http://www.zend.com/ +1-212-645-0040
 
http://blogs.zend.com/author/yossi/


 



From: tools-pmc-bounceseclipse.org [mailto:tools-pmc-bounceseclipse.org] On Behalf Of Yossi Leon
Sent:
Monday, March 26, 2007 9:51 AM
To:
Tools PMC mailing list
Cc:
Sharon Corbett
Subject:
[tools-pmc] PDT 1.0

 ;
Hi All,
 
PDT 0.7 was scheduled to be planned for the end February 2007. Due to IP issues that are now being investigated the release was postponed.
The roadmap is to have PDT 1.0 on September 2007 which contains mainly stability and few enhancements comparing to PDT 0.7.
 
I would like to propose not to wait for the IP approval and for the release of 0.7 and to move forward toward 1.0 (without any release of 0.7) and start providing builds for that version ASAP.
 
Please let me know if this is acceptable.
 
Thanks,
--
Yossi Leon

Product Manager, Development Tools
& PDT Project Leader
yossizend.com
http://www.zend.com/ +1-212-645-0040
 
http://blogs.zend.com/author/yossi/
 
 
 
--
Yossi Leon

Product Manager, Development Tools
& PDT Project Leader
yossizend.com
http://www.zend.com/ +1-212-645-0040
 
http://blogs.zend.com/author/yossi/
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Re: PDT 1.0
country flaguser name
Netherlands
2007-03-29 06:52:53
Hi,

If it stalls the development beyond 0.7 i agree with Yossi
and say drop 
the 0.7 release altogether and keep going. Between now and
release of 
1.0 anyone using in-between builds should be advised to use
the latest 
integration build or wait until 1.0 release.

If it helps letting people update to that particular (most
recent) 
integration build, maybe you should call it the latest rc
for 0.7 or 
whatever, stating the ip issues as known issues. After all,
what's in a 
name, right?

just my 2c

Yossi Leon wrote:
>
> Hi Thomas and Dave,
>
> Since the project is in incubation it’s possible to
have IP issues as 
> part of the build. Once I call it 0.7 it’s like
ignoring Eclipse 
> process and declaring the release by myself which I’m
sure is not 
> acceptable by Eclipse.org.
>
> The latest integration from Feb 26 is the most stable
and relevant 
> version.
>
> What do you suggest?
>
> --
> *Yossi Leon*
>
> Product Manager, Development Tools
>
> & PDT Project Leader
> yossizend.com http://www.zend.com/
+1-212-645-0040
>
> http://blogs.zend
.com/author/yossi/
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>
> *From
pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org 
> [mailto:pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org] *On Behalf Of
*Thomas M. Ose
> *Sent Thursday,
March 29, 2007 12:49 PM
> *To 'PDT
Developers'
> *Subject RE:
[pdt-dev] PDT 1.0
>
> Yossi,
>
> I would have to agree with Dave that we need a base
release to bring 
> everyone to the same playing field, even if it is
stable release of 
> the last integration build and call it 0.7
>
>
> /*/Thomas M. Ose/*/
> Ose Micro Solutions, Inc.
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>
> *From
pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org 
> [mailto:pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org] *On Behalf Of
*Dave Kelsey
> *Sent Thursday,
March 29, 2007 6:14 AM
> *To PDT
Developers
> *Subject Re:
[pdt-dev] PDT 1.0
>
>
> Yossi, I think you need to release a 0.7 version.
Currently there are 
> users on Rc2, others on various integration builds and
I think it 
> would be better to have a single version that all users
download and 
> report on until 1.0 is delivered. It will be confusing
for both users 
> and developers if there are multiple versions.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Kelsey
>
> *"Yossi Leon" <yossizend.com>*
> Sent by: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org
>
> 28/03/2007 23:01
>
> Please respond to
> PDT Developers <pdt-deveclipse.org>
>
> 	
>
> To
>
> 	
>
> <pdt-deveclipse.org>
>
> cc
>
> 	
>
> Subject
>
> 	
>
> [pdt-dev] PDT 1.0
>
> 	
>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I would like to share with you the thoughts regarding
PDT 1.0 as you 
> can see below.
>
> If you find any reason not to skip 0.7 and to move
forward with 1.0, 
> please let us know.
>
> Thanks,
> --*
> Yossi Leon*
> Product Manager, Development Tools
> & PDT Project Leader
> yossizend.com http://www.zend.com/
+1-212-645-0040
>
> http://blogs.zend
.com/author/yossi/
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>
>
> *From
tools-pmc-bounceseclipse.org 
> [mailto:tools-pmc-bounceseclipse.org] *On Behalf Of
*Yossi Leon*
> Sent Monday,
March 26, 2007 9:51 AM*
> To
Tools PMC mailing list*
> Cc
Sharon Corbett*
> Subject [tools-pmc]
PDT 1.0
>
> Hi All,
>
> PDT 0.7 was scheduled to be planned for the end
February 2007. Due to 
> IP issues that are now being investigated the release
was postponed.
> The roadmap is to have PDT 1.0 on September 2007 which
contains mainly 
> stability and few enhancements comparing to PDT 0.7.
>
> I would like to propose not to wait for the IP approval
and for the 
> release of 0.7 and to move forward toward 1.0 (without
any release of 
> 0.7) and start providing builds for that version ASAP.
>
> Please let me know if this is acceptable.
>
> Thanks,
> --*
> Yossi Leon*
> Product Manager, Development Tools
> & PDT Project Leader
> yossizend.com http://www.zend.com/
+1-212-645-0040
>
> http://blogs.zend
.com/author/yossi/
>
>
>
> --*
> Yossi Leon*
> Product Manager, Development Tools
> & PDT Project Leader
> yossizend.com http://www.zend.com/
+1-212-645-0040
>
> http://blogs.zend
.com/author/yossi/
> _______________________________________________
> pdt-dev mailing list
> pdt-deveclipse.org
> http
s://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
>
>
>
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> number 741598.
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>
>
>
>
>
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RE: PDT 1.0
country flaguser name
United States
2007-03-29 07:50:45
Name or Version really does not make a difference as long as
we can move
forward.  What is needed first is a new stable build based
on the
incremental build and call it whatever.


Thomas M. Ose
Ose Micro Solutions, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org [mailto:pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org] On
Behalf Of drm
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 7:53 AM
To: PDT Developers
Subject: Re: [pdt-dev] PDT 1.0

Hi,

If it stalls the development beyond 0.7 i agree with Yossi
and say drop 
the 0.7 release altogether and keep going. Between now and
release of 
1.0 anyone using in-between builds should be advised to use
the latest 
integration build or wait until 1.0 release.

If it helps letting people update to that particular (most
recent) 
integration build, maybe you should call it the latest rc
for 0.7 or 
whatever, stating the ip issues as known issues. After all,
what's in a 
name, right?

just my 2c

Yossi Leon wrote:
>
> Hi Thomas and Dave,
>
> Since the project is in incubation it's possible to
have IP issues as 
> part of the build. Once I call it 0.7 it's like
ignoring Eclipse 
> process and declaring the release by myself which I'm
sure is not 
> acceptable by Eclipse.org.
>
> The latest integration from Feb 26 is the most stable
and relevant 
> version.
>
> What do you suggest?
>
> --
> *Yossi Leon*
>
> Product Manager, Development Tools
>
> & PDT Project Leader
> yossizend.com http://www.zend.com/
+1-212-645-0040
>
> http://blogs.zend
.com/author/yossi/
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>
> *From
pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org 
> [mailto:pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org] *On Behalf Of
*Thomas M. Ose
> *Sent Thursday,
March 29, 2007 12:49 PM
> *To 'PDT
Developers'
> *Subject RE:
[pdt-dev] PDT 1.0
>
> Yossi,
>
> I would have to agree with Dave that we need a base
release to bring 
> everyone to the same playing field, even if it is
stable release of 
> the last integration build and call it 0.7
>
>
> /*/Thomas M. Ose/*/
> Ose Micro Solutions, Inc.
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>
> *From
pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org 
> [mailto:pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org] *On Behalf Of
*Dave Kelsey
> *Sent Thursday,
March 29, 2007 6:14 AM
> *To PDT
Developers
> *Subject Re:
[pdt-dev] PDT 1.0
>
>
> Yossi, I think you need to release a 0.7 version.
Currently there are 
> users on Rc2, others on various integration builds and
I think it 
> would be better to have a single version that all users
download and 
> report on until 1.0 is delivered. It will be confusing
for both users 
> and developers if there are multiple versions.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Kelsey
>
> *"Yossi Leon" <yossizend.com>*
> Sent by: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org
>
> 28/03/2007 23:01
>
> Please respond to
> PDT Developers <pdt-deveclipse.org>
>
> 	
>
> To
>
> 	
>
> <pdt-deveclipse.org>
>
> cc
>
> 	
>
> Subject
>
> 	
>
> [pdt-dev] PDT 1.0
>
> 	
>
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I would like to share with you the thoughts regarding
PDT 1.0 as you 
> can see below.
>
> If you find any reason not to skip 0.7 and to move
forward with 1.0, 
> please let us know.
>
> Thanks,
> --*
> Yossi Leon*
> Product Manager, Development Tools
> & PDT Project Leader
> yossizend.com http://www.zend.com/
+1-212-645-0040
>
> http://blogs.zend
.com/author/yossi/
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>
>
> *From
tools-pmc-bounceseclipse.org 
> [mailto:tools-pmc-bounceseclipse.org] *On Behalf Of
*Yossi Leon*
> Sent Monday,
March 26, 2007 9:51 AM*
> To
Tools PMC mailing list*
> Cc
Sharon Corbett*
> Subject [tools-pmc]
PDT 1.0
>
> Hi All,
>
> PDT 0.7 was scheduled to be planned for the end
February 2007. Due to 
> IP issues that are now being investigated the release
was postponed.
> The roadmap is to have PDT 1.0 on September 2007 which
contains mainly 
> stability and few enhancements comparing to PDT 0.7.
>
> I would like to propose not to wait for the IP approval
and for the 
> release of 0.7 and to move forward toward 1.0 (without
any release of 
> 0.7) and start providing builds for that version ASAP.
>
> Please let me know if this is acceptable.
>
> Thanks,
> --*
> Yossi Leon*
> Product Manager, Development Tools
> & PDT Project Leader
> yossizend.com http://www.zend.com/
+1-212-645-0040
>
> http://blogs.zend
.com/author/yossi/
>
>
>
> --*
> Yossi Leon*
> Product Manager, Development Tools
> & PDT Project Leader
> yossizend.com http://www.zend.com/
+1-212-645-0040
>
> http://blogs.zend
.com/author/yossi/
> _______________________________________________
> pdt-dev mailing list
> pdt-deveclipse.org
> http
s://dev.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/pdt-dev
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>
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> IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and
Wales with 
> number 741598.
> Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour,
Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 
> 3AU/
>
>
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------
------------
>
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> http
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RE: PDT 1.0
country flaguser name
United States
2007-03-29 08:26:56

I am a little surprised to hear that you could create an integration build and make it publically available without dealing with the legal issues. If you are able to release integration builds publically like this to avoid legal issues then why can't you release a stable build in the same way ?

I am guessing that the integration builds since rc2 release contained the code that has not be approved yet. Would it not be better to remove the integration builds from public download and stick with rc2 for now ?


Dave Kelsey




"Yossi Leon" <yossizend.com&gt;
Sent by: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org

29/03/2007 12:01
Please respond to
PDT Developers <pdt-deveclipse.org>

To
<tmoosemicro.com>, "PDT Developers" <pdt-deveclipse.org>
cc
Subject
RE: [pdt-dev] PDT 1.0





Hi Thomas and Dave,
 
Since the project is in incubation it’s possible to have IP issues as part of the build. Once I call it 0.7 it’s like ignoring Eclipse process and declaring the release by myself which I&#8217;m sure is not acceptable by Eclipse.org.
 
The latest integration from Feb 26 is the most stable and relevant version.
 
What do you suggest?
 
--
Yossi Leon

Product Manager, Development Tools
& PDT Project Leader
yossizend.com
http://www.zend.com/ +1-212-645-0040
 
http://blogs.zend.com/author/yossi/
 



From: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org [mailto:pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org] On Behalf Of Thomas M. Ose
Sent:
Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:49 PM
To:
'PDT Developers'
Subject:
RE: [pdt-dev] PDT 1.0

 
Yossi,
 
I would have to agree with Dave that we need a base release to bring everyone to the same playing field, even if it is stable release of the last integration build and call it 0.7
 

Thomas M. Ose

Ose Micro Solutions, Inc.



From: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org [mailto:pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org] On Behalf Of Dave Kelsey
Sent:
Thursday, March 29, 2007 6:14 AM
To:
PDT Developers
Subject:
Re: [pdt-dev] PDT 1.0

 

Yossi, I think you need to release a 0.7 version. Currently there are users on Rc2, others on various integration builds and I think it would be better to have a single version that all users download and report on until 1.0 is delivered. It will be confusing for both users and developers if there are multiple versions.


Regards


Dave Kelsey

"Yossi Leon" <yossizend.com&gt;
Sent by: pdt-dev-bounceseclipse.org

28/03/2007 23:01


Please respond to
PDT Developers <pdt-deveclipse.org>


To
<pdt-deveclipse.org>
cc
 
Subject
[pdt-dev] PDT 1.0

 


   





Hi All,

 
I would like to share with you the thoughts regarding PDT 1.0 as you can see below.

 
If you find any reason not to skip 0.7 and to move forward with 1.0, please let us know.

 
Thanks,

--
Yossi Leon

Product Manager, Development Tools

& PDT Project Leader
yossizend.com
http://www.zend.com/ +1-212-645-0040
 
http://blogs.zend.com/author/yossi/



 



From:
tools-pmc-bounceseclipse.org [mailto:tools-pmc-bounceseclipse.org] On Behalf Of Yossi Leon
Sent:
Monday, March 26, 2007 9:51 AM
To:
Tools PMC mailing list
Cc:
Sharon Corbett
Subject:
[tools-pmc] PDT 1.0

 

Hi All,

 
PDT 0.7 was scheduled to be planned for the end February 2007. Due to IP issues that are now being investigated the release was postponed.

The roadmap is to have PDT 1.0 on September 2007 which contains mainly stability and few enhancements comparing to PDT 0.7.

 
I would like to propose not to wait for the IP approval and for the release of 0.7 and to move forward toward 1.0 (without any release of 0.7) and start providing builds for that version ASAP.

 
Please let me know if this is acceptable.

 
Thanks,

--
Yossi Leon

Product Manager, Development Tools

& PDT Project Leader
yossizend.com
http://www.zend.com/ +1-212-645-0040
 
http://blogs.zend.com/author/yossi/
 

 
 
--
Yossi Leon

Product Manager, Development Tools

& PDT Project Leader
yossizend.com
http://www.zend.com/ +1-212-645-0040
 
http://blogs.zend.com/author/yossi/
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Re: PDT 1.0
country flaguser name
United States
2007-03-29 09:38:24
Thomas, Dave, Yossi, and everyone else,
The Eclipse policy are very clear: you may not have an official release (such as 0.7) if there are IP issues pending. So, yes, there is significant in a name - significance that the Eclipse Board of Directors has been very clear about.

To be very clear: the EMO will not allow the PDT project to have any releases named 0.7 or 1.0 or etc before the IP issues are cleared up.
--
Bjorn Freeman
Bjorn Freeman-Benson
Director, Open Source Process
Eclipse Foundation
  
voice:  971-327-7323 (pacific time)
email:  bjorn.freeman-bensoneclipse.org">bjorn.freeman-bensoneclipse.org
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