Re: each @array

On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:36:44PM -0700, Artur Bergman
wrote:
> 
> On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:28 PM, demerphq wrote:

> >Why has it taken so long to roll out 5.10?
> 
> Because we are quite happy with 5.8. It fixed the
serious problems  
> with 5.6, 5.6 added significant functionality. There is
nothing  
> really in 5.10 that I am hungry for.

And hence no-one has been driving to get 5.10 out of the
door to fix their
big itch.

Jarkko wanted 5.8.0 out (I assume to get the Unicode
implementation complete).
Previous pumpking have wanted previous major releases out

5.8.x is not broken enough. Hence there is no drive to
supercede it.

Nicholas Clark

On Sep 10, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Nicholas Clark wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:36:44PM -0700, Artur Bergman
wrote:
>>
>> On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:28 PM, demerphq wrote:
>
>>> Why has it taken so long to roll out 5.10?
>>
>> Because we are quite happy with 5.8. It fixed the
serious problems
>> with 5.6, 5.6 added significant functionality.
There is nothing
>> really in 5.10 that I am hungry for.
>
> And hence no-one has been driving to get 5.10 out of
the door to  
> fix their
> big itch.
>
> Jarkko wanted 5.8.0 out (I assume to get the Unicode
implementation  
> complete).
> Previous pumpking have wanted previous major releases
out
>
> 5.8.x is not broken enough. Hence there is no drive to
supercede it.
>
> Nicholas Clark
>

I concur.

Artur

On Mon, September 10, 2007 1:16 pm, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 12:36:44PM -0700, Artur Bergman
wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 2007, at 12:28 PM, demerphq wrote:
>>> Why has it taken so long to roll out 5.10?
>>
>> Because we are quite happy with 5.8. It fixed the
serious problems
>> with 5.6, 5.6 added significant functionality.
There is nothing really in
>> 5.10 that I am hungry for.
>
> And hence no-one has been driving to get 5.10 out of
the door to fix
> their big itch.
>
> Jarkko wanted 5.8.0 out (I assume to get the Unicode
implementation
> complete). Previous pumpking have wanted previous major
releases out
>
> 5.8.x is not broken enough. Hence there is no drive to
supercede it.

Please don't try to fix that by breaking it enough 

I don't see any way the content goals for 5.12 will be
decided by
everyone (or just the pumpking), then implemented, then
released
when the goal is met.  Perl 5 development is pretty fixed
into a
pattern of each patch submitter scratching their own itch.

It seems to me that the thing to do is set an arbitrary date
for a code
freeze, and whatever gets in by then is in.  Then clean up
smoke,
release a beta, fix problems, release an RC, repeat as
necessary.

I don't know that multiple perl 5.11 branches is a good
thing;
there's a point to having to defend the perl-ness of your
itch-scratchings in a central place.  And when I want to
try
out 5.12-to-be, I want to try everything that's pending, not
one
project at a time.