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Yahoo, AOL: Sending spam is ok--for a fee.
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2006-02-07 03:02:30
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Yahoo, AOL: Sending spam is ok--for a fee.
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2006-02-07 07:17:24
--- "Lance W. Haverkamp" <LanceTheHaverkamps.net> wrote:

> http://apnews.myway.com//article/20060206/D8FJU0L80.html

> 
> 

I doubt it gets used much for non-customers. The whole idea
is that
customers don't know which email from their bank is the real
one, so they
(the customer, or their trained spam filter) just delete
them all. That's
the problem this is supposed to solve I think.

Randy

------------------------------------------
E-mail authentication - one way or another
By Deb Radcliff, Network World, 12/26/05
http://www.networkworld.com/power/2005/12
2605-emailstruggle.html?page=2

... e-mail authentication frameworks facilitate deeper forms
of identity
checking by combining DNS information with reputational data
from large
service-provider networks. This is used to rate, blacklist
and remove
e-mail sender accounts based on spam complaints. 

Toward that end, Goodmail Systems, which accredits senders
and certifies
their e-mail with a cryptographically secure token,
announced in October
that AOL and Yahoo plan to deploy its CertifiedEmail service
at their
gateways. Mail sent with CertifiedEmail tokens would bypass
the gateways'
spam filters, and the ISPs would redeem the tokens for
payment from
Goodmail when the e-mail is successfully delivered. 

Some IT managers say they worry that unscrupulous ISPs could
abuse such a
model. But Goodmail insists it has stacked the system with
checks and
balances to detect and protect against conceivable forms of
fraud.... 




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Yahoo, AOL: Sending spam is ok--for a fee.
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2006-02-07 12:52:16
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Randy Burns wrote:
> --- "Lance W. Haverkamp" <LanceTheHaverkamps.net> wrote:
> 
>> http://apnews.myway.com//article/20060206/D8FJU0L80.html

>>
>>
> 
> I doubt it gets used much for non-customers. The whole
idea is that
> customers don't know which email from their bank is the
real one, so they
> (the customer, or their trained spam filter) just
delete them all. That's
> the problem this is supposed to solve I think.

Correct, the basic premise is that Enterprises who wish to
guarantee
that their Email *is* delivered to the Customer's Inbox will
pay to
bypass 'Filters.' (presumably with the 'cost' relayed in
higher service
fees)  The theory is that Spammers will *not* pay for their
message to
'get through'.

Apparently several large Businesses have already shown an
interest by
'signing up'.  You & I will not 'really notice' unless
one counts the
increased 'cost' of doing business with these Company's.

JOHN 
Timestamp: Tuesday 07 Feb 2006, 07:51  --500 (Eastern
Standard Time)
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Yahoo, AOL: Sending spam is ok--for a fee.
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2006-02-07 22:02:07
 
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While I agree that this is a rather bad plan for end users,
I will say this
-
to sort of play devils advocate - anyone who remembers CB
(Citizen Band
Radio) back with the FCC regulated it and you had to be
licensed likely
noticed a huge difference when the FCC deregulated it.

The entire theory is that anyone who has the money,
resources, and reason to
pay the fees isn't going to abuse the privledge.  Add to
that, these emails
(you can bet) must likely meet some rules - I would not be
surprised if they
must meet rules such as unsubscribe features that work, real
email addresses
in from/to dialogs, and some kind of tracking system in
place so if a
company
DOES something abusive with their emails it can be tracked
back to who did
it.

The problem that spam is today is huge - I mean, we all know
that, I'm not
saying it isn't a huge problem.  What I am saying is that it
may not be as
bad as one might think, it could be that bad certainly, but
it makes sense
for Yahoo and AOL to not dump too much spam into users
inboxes that bypasses
the spam filters.  Users of Yahoo or AOL could easily simply
get an gmail
invite (anyone wants one I have lots) or sign up to a lot of
other services
to get mail without this bypassing.  It also looks back in
PR for them if
users inboxes are still full with lots of spam as most users
wouldn't notice
the fact that messages are designed to bypass the spam
filters.

In addition, I know personally that companies sending me
automated messages
for say signing up to an online site are often miss-caught
by gmail's spam
filter and I have to go digging around in the spam box to
find it.  This
kind
of thing would allow companies that want to make sure their
messages go
through to the end user to pay to have it done.  Although it
may increase
end
cost, is it worth it in that case to have things delivered
that you really
want?

I don't know...  I know that I haven't used my yahoo mail in
years and don't
even have an AOL account.  Just playing devils advocate and
thinking of how
it might be a good thing in some ways. 

- -----Original Message-----
From: PGP-Basics@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:PGP-Basics@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of John W. Moore III
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 4:52 AM
To: PGP-Basics@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Yahoo, AOL: Sending spam is ok--for a fee.

Correct, the basic premise is that Enterprises who wish to
guarantee that
their Email *is* delivered to the Customer's Inbox will pay
to bypass
'Filters.' (presumably with the 'cost' relayed in higher
service
fees)  The theory is that Spammers will *not* pay for their
message to 'get
through'.

Apparently several large Businesses have already shown an
interest by
'signing up'.  You & I will not 'really notice' unless
one counts the
increased 'cost' of doing business with these Company's.

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Yahoo, AOL: Sending spam is ok--for a fee.
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2006-02-10 16:57:53
On Mon, 2006-02-06 at 20:02 -0700, Lance W. Haverkamp wrote:
> http://apnews.myway.com//article/20060206/D8FJU0L80.html

> 
All the more reason to drop AOHell and use a real ISP with
spamassassin.

CWSIV



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