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What are you trying to say?
user name
2006-08-26 18:37:40
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Reference your:

    Subject:  Re: GPG Disk?
    Date:     Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:18:15 +0200
    From:     Mica Mijatovic <bluenessgmx.net>
    To:       Robert J. Hansen
<PGP-Basics@yahoogroups.com>

> ...Robby, with such an approach you'll never get to
Quantico. (-; 
> (Rather to a street gang.) If such case would be
possible, it would
> be rather Hollywood then, and Woody Alan would play in
a "Beverly
> Hills Crippie"....

I am fully aware that you have some information you'd like
to share with
us but I seem to lack the intellect to understand exactly
what it is in
both this e-mail and in most that you send to the list.

With respect, I'd suggest more of us would be willing to
read your
e-mails and would certainly better understand them if they
only
consisted of a very *short* and concise paragraph or two
limited to the
specific and direct point or points you are trying to share
with us.

Using the above suggestion, what were you trying to tell us
in the
e-mail cited above?


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What are you trying to say?
user name
2006-08-26 22:22:10

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I'm going to respond to several different emails here all at once, and I
hope that this thread can end here. If it can't, then let's please move
it to -OT, so people who are here looking for useful information about
OpenPGP will not be spammed with irrelevancies.

I killfiled Mica some time ago, and dug out his 11kb message only once I
saw other people responding to it. After reading it, I find nothing in
it deserving an answer.

> if nothing else there are very mighty personalities here who could
> response to you in a such effective and painful way you can't even
> imagine

Threats ought not be dignified with responses, after all. Back into the
killfile he goes.

Ian wrote:
&gt; Robert is always precise and it is not his fault that others might
>; project upon his words and see "behaviour" in their own minds.

I'm glad people enjoy what I write. I suspect, though, that some people
are mistaking the way I write as some kind of personal offense.

When it comes to writing for professional journals, we--professional
academics, I mean--talk about the accuracy and precision of ideas.
These are not the same thing.

Think about a target at an archery competition. If an archer puts
arrows all over the target but the grouping is centered exactly over the
bullseye, we say the archer is accurate but imprecise. If the archer
puts the arrows all into a very tight group but it's far off the
bullseye, we say the archer is inaccurate but precise.

Two other subjects that get a lot of discussion are range and
transparency. Range is simple: the further away the target becomes, the
more difficult it becomes to enjoy the same accuracy and precision.
Likewise, the closer a target becomes, the easier it becomes, until it's
right in front of you and anyone can hit a bullseye.

Accuracy, precision and range are great qualities, but it's not enough
to make someone a great archer. Other archers have to be able to use
the same methods to improve their own results.

Moving away from metaphor and more into formalism, accuracy is how well
you understand what you're trying to do; precision is how well you do
it; range is your intellectual reach; and transparency is whether your
methods are public for other people to use.

Psychology tells us that when people are novices, they're unable to
filter good advice from bad advice. Psychology also tells us the
lessons we learn first are the hardest lessons to unlearn. This means
that if we want to be newbie-friendly we have a moral obligation to make
sure our answers are accurate and precise. [1] Inaccurate and imprecise
answers--what I'd normally call just plain wrong--need to get called out
and publicly corrected, so that any newcomers reading it don't start off
on the wrong foot.

That's what I do. And if I ever give inaccurate or imprecise answers, I
hope others will correct me.

Kara wrote:
&gt; I'd suggest more of us would be willing to read your e-mails and
> would certainly better understand them if they only consisted of a
> very *short* and concise paragraph or two limited to the specific and
> direct point or points you are trying to share with us.

I'm quoting Kara not because I disagree, but because it shows another
facet of accuracy and precision. Using accurate and precise language to
convey information is just as important as the accuracy and precision of
the information being conveyed.

Anyway. Thanks for reading, and we now return to our
regularly-scheduled information dump.

[1] Range and transparency aren't so important at first--newbies don't
have a good sense of range, and newbies lack the skills needed to
fact-check others. Developing these skills is one of the signs you're
progressing past newbiehood.
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What are you trying to say?
user name
2006-08-27 18:16:41
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——— ·
— —
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— —      Was another beautiful day, 06-08-26, at 14:37:40
-0400,
— —      when Kara wrote:

>> ...Robby, with such an approach you'll never get
to Quantico. (-;
>> (Rather to a street gang.) If such case would be
possible, it would
>> be rather Hollywood then, and Woody Alan would play
in a "Beverly
>> Hills Crippie"....

> I am fully aware that you have some information you'd
like to share
> with us but I seem to lack the intellect to understand
exactly what it
> is in both this e-mail and in most that you send to the
list.

> With respect, I'd suggest more of us would be willing
to read your
> e-mails and would certainly better understand them if
they only
> consisted of a very *short* and concise paragraph or
two limited to
> the specific and direct point or points you are trying
to share with
> us.

> Using the above suggestion, what were you trying to
tell us in the
> e-mail cited above?

Gary, to all the questions of yours here, and the comments,
you already
have my answers.

Do you remember your PM to me 11 Sep 2005 17:10:45 -0400?

And do you remember then your _public_ message sent to this
list:
"Perhaps I can help" 18 Feb 2006 12:13:49 -0500?

My reply to this message contains all the answers to your
questions and
comments made then, made now and even to the questions you
will yet to
pose, but you still don't know you will pose them.

The reason why it is one of the "longish" ones
too (but only by
criterions from the standpoint of attention disorder) is
that it
contains answers and explanations of the future happenings
too.

How is possible that I knew that you'll send at that time
this message
publicly, with one content, so different from the content
you sent me
off-list prior to that?

Well, it is something that belongs to the "in a way
only I know and can,
and with means only I have", from this message of mine
the part of you
cite here.

One of these (lighter) means of mine is my ability to read
carefully, to
observe carefully and to watch people carefully.

This is the part relating specifically to you.

Now I will include the rest of membership too...



                                  ***



The "us", Gary, you mentioned above, consists
here of several categories
of people present on this list of about 2.000 members.

This list is designed for learning and teaching.

For the process of learning one's mind has to meet some
conditions
without which the learning, and teaching, are not possible.

Some of these basic conditions are discipline and clear
perception. If
someone's mind is not disciplined, is not accustomed to
work in
organized manner, and cannot perceive clearly, this person
then is not
able to learn and should give up, now and without hesitance
and once for
ever. From such one never will be anything.

Most of these 2000 members understand nature of this, PGPB
list, accept
and abide to this, are able to follow the matter and to have
benefit
from it with no significant problems. And that's good and
as it should
be.



                                  ***



But, there also is the specific category of people which are
not very
able to follow not only PGP related matter here but much
wider too.

Those are people of weak nerves, weak, damaged, nervous
systems.

This weakness of nerves is caused, mainly, by alcohol and
drugs, and in
general by way of living. Hence no "adaptation"
of matter can help in
there.

Also, such people are not for any PGP, since it cannot help
them.

Why?

Before all, because they have nothing to protect, when is
word about
their privacy.

Why?

Because they have no or have very limited privacy.

Why?

Because when they are drunk and/or doped their passwords
(and many other
things) are leaving them. They do not belong to (only) them
anymore.

Such persons don't know where they have been, whom with,
what they were
talking, whom to, what they have been doing, where their
stuff, personal
things, IDs, passports and so on were been, who pictured
them, when,
how, whom with.

The bottle, joint, needle on one side, and a PGP on the
other one, do
not go together. Their mental (and many other) capabilities
are
drastically damaged and rendered useless.

They also suffer from paranoia (in medical sense) since they
fuzzily
feel that they don't know where they have been, in the
given moment,
whom with and what they were doing. It renders them thus
incapable in
their private and other life. The bottle, joint and needle
means a
"goodbye" to:

    private life
    family
    friends
    colleagues
    coworkers
    professional life
    competency
    ability to learn/teach
    and so on...

So, this is the reason why people of weak nerves cannot cope
with things
where stable personalities are needed, capable for
disciplined work,
able to learn, investigate, research, to estimate their
environment
correctly, own conditions, to care about their work,
friends, coworkers
and so on.

Therefore, when you, affecting irony, say that you are fully
aware that
I have some information, you are quite incidentally totally
right. I do
have them.

And I do share them. But only with those, obviously, who are
able to
consume them, who in a way deserve this.

People who are not able to follow a text longer than few
sentences (and
there is about 1% of such ones on PGPB for instance, not
more), cannot
have any benefit of it.

I indeed work, in various ways, with disabled people too,
mainly junkies
and alcoholics, but I cannot adapt the matter/approach for
them on a
list which is not designed specifically for exactly such
population.

Sporadically along the way it happens though, and then
emerge bunch
(which I friendly call "gang") of right such
ones, being naturally
upset, shocked by the content openly presented, since they
cannot stand
it, and cannot productively cope with it, due to their
conditions.

What do you think, how they would react if I would discover
other
informations I have?

Well, this way I discover what is reliable for possible
quality
cooperation, a team work and so on, and what is not.



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And as to my messages specifically, they are of mainly two
categories:
1) for "normal" people, in a sense those who are
not extraordinarily
gifted, and they are sent mainly to PGPB list, and 2) for
gifted and
extraordinarily gifted ones, and such messages are sent
mainly to PGPBOT
list.

Beginning with 2003, particularly the fall of this year and
then on, in
both Archives you have plenty of material at disposal which
explains
many things you, and others, are interested in.

As you can see, it was a deliberate "project"
which I am about to
"round" right these days as something finished
and to proceed with
something else.

Those are very valuable messages, and not (only) because
they are mine.
This was the reason I had them placed at one or two places
around.

If you collect these messages, and read them carefully, you
might find
things you will never forget in your life and which will be
always of
greatest benefit, and protection, for you.

If you are interested in the secret of careful reading,
which evokes the
magic that makes your intellect cooperating with instead
hating you, you
may ask me and I will tell you, for benefit of all people
here. It will
consists of just one sentence, so we shall see, Gary, are
you really
good in understanding concision and shortness, as you brag
and yearn
for, or this will addle and spirit you away even more.

And by the way, _all_ my messages are concise, regardless
their length.

You just don't know how to open them, since you lack the
secret element.

Accept this message, and its length, as recapitulation of
one period of
my stay on PGPB(OT), which is just about to end.

The next stage, if it happens, will be even more
beautiful...

Good health to all, much less fear and pusillanimity.




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Mica
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*exactly* given
                 in my "From|Reply To" field(s).
~~~
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What are you trying to say?
user name
2006-08-27 19:00:56

On August 27, 2006 02:16 pm, Mica Mijatovic mystically rambled and bleated:

> And by the way, _all_ my messages are concise, regardless their length.

Would you mind keeping emails about psychology, substance abuse and your
personal issues with others in private emails to those concerned and keep the
content of your emails on this list to PGP and GPG related?

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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What are you trying to say? - CLOSED By Moderator
user name
2006-08-27 21:42:41

Let's end it, folks.

I'm not feeling all warm and fuzzy inside, yet this is PGP-Basics.

This thread is CLOSED.

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