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> Reply-To: PGP-Basics@yahoogroups.com
> To: John Clizbe
<PGP-Basics@yahoogroups.com>
> G'day Mica
>> ...making possible successful, efficient and
intelligent cooperation
>> between members....which is altogether after all
the very purpose and
>> goal of this list.
> In accordance with your comment above and in response
to the your
> comment below:
>> Our correspondence has been discontinued on Wed, 11
Jan 2006 09:27:45
>> +0100, since your public keys 18BB373A and 608D2A10
you have used to
>> sign your messages were not accessible, and thus
your signatures were
>> not possible to verify.
> I'm delighted to tell you my _first_ attempt to find
both the above keys
> was successful via (by chance)
random.sks.keyserver.penguin.de. For
> your convenience I've attached both below.
> Mark Twain once remarked, "The time to begin
writing an article is when
> you have finished it to your satisfaction. By that time
you begin to
> clearly and logically perceive what it is you really
want to say." And
> Blaise Pascal wrote to a friend on one occasion,
"I have made this
> letter longer than usual, only because I have not had
time to make it
> shorter."
I love Mark Twain _very_ much. I may also say that almost
all of his
writings are the very part of my very early and then on
childhood and my
personality. As well though I could say that citations might
be used and
misused, particularly when we have a wish to support
something we would
want to say ourselves, but we are not quite clear what's
that so we
recourse to "external authorities" to give a
"weight" to our own words,
regardless do those citations indeed correspond to our
"ideas" or not.
It relates also to the so known quite wise and witty
"tags", in
signatures of letters which not so rarely witness something
totally else
found above those signatures.
> In my ignorance I think both statements above apply to
the content of
> your e-mail.
Well...ignorance is not just always so great sin, and we
almost always
have a chance to look at something better, and anew.
> like you I too consider myself to be a
"busy" individual.
I am not "busy", Kara, but _busy_, which
means...
> It seems to me that anyone can write a long, rambling
e-mail but it
> takes a really well-educated individual to write
something so concise
> and direct that it is quickly and easily understood.
The whole point
> of your diatribe seems to be you couldn't find John's
keys (and
> obviously didn't wish to ask him for them). I'm
therefore glad to help
> you by providing those keys below.
..that I did ask of course, and someone who _follows_ a
correspondence
wishing to comment on and to take a part in, might easily
have this
already known, as well as other details.
It also means, that I, being enough busy and not
"busy" indeed have no
time, among other things, to search numerous servers and to
find -- or
not! -- a key, "by chance" or otherwise, of a
person being not aware
enough of elementary kindness and consideration for others
having
correspondence with, to provide information where this key
could be
found. It means that we do a thing we invest some time in
it, and if
someone wants to _play_ hide-and-seek, then I have my games
too in
response. Who doesn't like it, let him dismiss such playing
then and get
back to the regular mode.
In this particular case it means providing the address of
the server
where the keys were uploaded.
> I have your C452DBFC but GPG (1.4.2.1) tells me
regarding your message
> "Can't check signature: unknown digest
algorithm." Does that mean I
> should follow your example and refer to you as
"Dear entity using name
> Mica Mijatovic?" Surely not!
Of course you shouldn't, simple because I gave no reason
for something
like that. My signature using TIGER192 hash algorithm might
be verified
with software which supports it.
Why this algo has been kicked out from so called "PGP
standard" and some
versions of GPG, still remained _not_ clear, with no enough
reasons,
without reasonable and rational explanations, and this is a
subject of
another discussion, which _might_ be continued, when
conditions for it
are obtained, although it definitely is _not_ necessary, at
least not on
my part.
> Again in my ignorance, and in conclusion, I have to
agree with John's
> basic point:
>> Rob's message verified fine. Your's didn't. It
was signed with a
>> non-standard hash, TIGER192. Let's stick to the
standard for list
>> emails. If you wish to play with Tiger in private
go ahead, but there
>> is little value in a message digest that is
unreadable/unverifiable
>> for the vast majority of list members.
> Best wishes for a great weekend and for concise and
direct e-mails and
> greater understanding and cooperation among list
members.
> Ciao
> Kara
> "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger
and more complex
> ... it takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of
courage -- to
> move in the opposite direction." - Albert
Einstein
"Moving in the opposite direction" means here
exactly following some
discussion to the point when it becomes simple and clear to
us. Then we
have much better chances to grasp what happens and what is
meaning of
the context which seems to us very complex, unintelligible
and even
foolish, _before_ we are encouraged by our own confusion to
response,
thus making a _real_ confusion.
I personally am very willing to participate in any valuable
and useful
discussion, whenever time permits, but am definitely _not_
willing to
take a part in any quarrel. Those who read, and understand,
my messages,
for all this time, are quite aware of this, and there is no
any lack of
clarity in this.
As for Akie, that is Her Einstein, he's, "by
chance", another
exceptionally dear person to me, as a human and as an
expert, and this
what he says in this citation you are giving to us here for
enjoyment
about courage, evokes now some very interesting details in
his life.
Namely, words of a man who had been kicked out from high
school because
"he was stupid", and because his mind worked
"very slowly", being
"unable to understand" and "to
adopt" "very basic postulates". A
"lost
case", for physics and mathematics. (-;
Having "a lot of courage", yes, definitely, to
dare to even _think_ in a
way which is not very "popular" at the given
moment.
So, the next time someone is willing to know some things and
to get some
reasonable and clear explanations, he will have to do that
_him_self,
with a little help of his _own_ courage, and not to expect
that someone
else will do that for him.
Conformism has its own price and reasons, and especially the
false sense
of safety and security in staying amongst the "crowd
of the day", and
accepting all the "postulates" in exchange for
what is called popularly
"comfort".
Mr. Twain pretty often had to say word or two about this
topic as well,
chatting with his friends.
I suggest, warmly, to anyone willing to take part in some
discussion and
conclusio praecox, to become before that enough familiar
with what's
been previously already said and done, for this is a very
good way to
keep the work here pleasantly away from any quarrels, rants
and similar.
By "rants" I mean here this what they are
genuinely: inconsistent
talking.
Otherwise, there are genuine and genial ones.
And, if I write a "long" message, then certainly
there are some reasons
for it; and if someone do not read it as it deserves to be
read, and if
the written is not understood, and the reader still
"concludes" they are
written for the sake of writing, then it is a sure sign that
they have
to be read again and anew until the content and context are
clear and
understood.
After that, we can discuss. But before that, we cannot
quarrel, for the
reasons already said.
When we have to do a serious thing, let's do it. After that
we can play.
Those who cannot do a serious things and to play at the same
time, might
be is better for them to forbear from playing then.[1]
_____________________
[1] This message is for instance a "long" one.
It contains about 5 KB of
only my text. An amount of a page or two of an average book.
You call
this "long"? Nevertheless, imagine such a page
filled with inconsistent
and consistent content and the respective efforts needed to
cope with
it...
- --
Mica
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