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| Big day for Java |
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2006-11-13 07:31:58 |
You may have heard already (I saw the thread last week, but
couldn't
comment)... today is a big day for Java. At 9:30AM Monday,
check out:
http://sun.com/opensou
rce/java
Ken
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2006-11-14 06:10:07 |
Hey all,
I know the implications of Sun's new license of Java has
been hotly
debated, but I've yet to hear a definitive conclusion, so
I'll ask some
of the obvious questions here:
Does anyone know if Sun is changing the license on the JRE,
or if there
will be any impact of the new GPL license on proprietary
software
developers who want to distribute a JRE?
I know those of you who write internal enterprise software
are happy
with GPL code since you don't distribute your apps. Those of
use who
write desktop Java apps are in a different situation. In
this case we
write closed-source code that links to the core Java
libraries,
distribute that code, AND often distribute a full JRE just
to run our
program. This behavior is completely compatible with the
previous Sun
license on the JRE itself. It is obviously incompatible with
the GPL.
My impression is that Sun is providing the SOURCE CODE for
the compiler,
VM, and eventually the core libraries under the GPL. I
assume the
existing license will still be available for end-user JRE's
(the thing
that non-developers download), and that is sufficient for
people to
distribute proprietary code.
Anyone know for sure?
James
Ken Paulsen wrote:
> You may have heard already (I saw the thread last week,
but couldn't
> comment)... today is a big day for Java. At 9:30AM
Monday, check out:
>
> http://sun.com/opensou
rce/java
>
> Ken
>
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2006-11-14 07:02:06 |
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I can tell you that GlassFish will be dual licensed CDDL & GPL. So
it is likely Sun will adequately address your JRE concerns by either
dual licensing, or by not adding a GPL license to that part. ; It will
be interesting to watch this unfold over the next few months.
Check out this blog entry by Eduardo:
http://blogs.sun.com/theaquarium/entry/glassfish_and_cddl
The "GPLv2 w/ ClassPath Exception" is particularly interesting....
Ken
James Brundege wrote:
bioquery.com" type="cite">
Hey all,
I know the implications of Sun's new license of Java has been hotly
debated, but I've yet to hear a definitive conclusion, so I'll ask some
of the obvious questions here:
Does anyone know if Sun is changing the license on the JRE, or if there
will be any impact of the new GPL license on proprietary software
developers who want to distribute a JRE?
I know those of you who write internal enterprise software are happy
with GPL code since you don't distribute your apps. Those of use who
write desktop Java apps are in a different situation. In this case we
write closed-source code that links to the core Java libraries,
distribute that code, AND often distribute a full JRE just to run our
program. This behavior is completely compatible with the previous Sun
license on the JRE itself. It is obviously incompatible with the GPL.
My impression is that Sun is providing the SOURCE CODE for the compiler,
VM, and eventually the core libraries under the GPL. I assume the
existing license will still be available for end-user JRE's (the thing
that non-developers download), and that is sufficient for people to
distribute proprietary code.
Anyone know for sure?
James
Ken Paulsen wrote:
You may have heard already (I saw the thread last week, but couldn't
comment)... today is a big day for Java. At 9:30AM Monday, check out:
http://sun.com/opensource/java
Ken
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2006-11-14 06:10:07 |
Hey all,
I know the implications of Sun's new license of Java has
been hotly
debated, but I've yet to hear a definitive conclusion, so
I'll ask some
of the obvious questions here:
Does anyone know if Sun is changing the license on the JRE,
or if there
will be any impact of the new GPL license on proprietary
software
developers who want to distribute a JRE?
I know those of you who write internal enterprise software
are happy
with GPL code since you don't distribute your apps. Those of
use who
write desktop Java apps are in a different situation. In
this case we
write closed-source code that links to the core Java
libraries,
distribute that code, AND often distribute a full JRE just
to run our
program. This behavior is completely compatible with the
previous Sun
license on the JRE itself. It is obviously incompatible with
the GPL.
My impression is that Sun is providing the SOURCE CODE for
the compiler,
VM, and eventually the core libraries under the GPL. I
assume the
existing license will still be available for end-user JRE's
(the thing
that non-developers download), and that is sufficient for
people to
distribute proprietary code.
Anyone know for sure?
James
Ken Paulsen wrote:
> You may have heard already (I saw the thread last week,
but couldn't
> comment)... today is a big day for Java. At 9:30AM
Monday, check out:
>
> http://sun.com/opensou
rce/java
>
> Ken
>
> _______________________________________________
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2006-11-14 07:02:06 |
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I can tell you that GlassFish will be dual licensed CDDL & GPL. So
it is likely Sun will adequately address your JRE concerns by either
dual licensing, or by not adding a GPL license to that part. ; It will
be interesting to watch this unfold over the next few months.
Check out this blog entry by Eduardo:
http://blogs.sun.com/theaquarium/entry/glassfish_and_cddl
The "GPLv2 w/ ClassPath Exception" is particularly interesting....
Ken
James Brundege wrote:
bioquery.com" type="cite">
Hey all,
I know the implications of Sun's new license of Java has been hotly
debated, but I've yet to hear a definitive conclusion, so I'll ask some
of the obvious questions here:
Does anyone know if Sun is changing the license on the JRE, or if there
will be any impact of the new GPL license on proprietary software
developers who want to distribute a JRE?
I know those of you who write internal enterprise software are happy
with GPL code since you don't distribute your apps. Those of use who
write desktop Java apps are in a different situation. In this case we
write closed-source code that links to the core Java libraries,
distribute that code, AND often distribute a full JRE just to run our
program. This behavior is completely compatible with the previous Sun
license on the JRE itself. It is obviously incompatible with the GPL.
My impression is that Sun is providing the SOURCE CODE for the compiler,
VM, and eventually the core libraries under the GPL. I assume the
existing license will still be available for end-user JRE's (the thing
that non-developers download), and that is sufficient for people to
distribute proprietary code.
Anyone know for sure?
James
Ken Paulsen wrote:
You may have heard already (I saw the thread last week, but couldn't
comment)... today is a big day for Java. At 9:30AM Monday, check out:
http://sun.com/opensource/java
Ken
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2006-11-14 06:10:07 |
Hey all,
I know the implications of Sun's new license of Java has
been hotly
debated, but I've yet to hear a definitive conclusion, so
I'll ask some
of the obvious questions here:
Does anyone know if Sun is changing the license on the JRE,
or if there
will be any impact of the new GPL license on proprietary
software
developers who want to distribute a JRE?
I know those of you who write internal enterprise software
are happy
with GPL code since you don't distribute your apps. Those of
use who
write desktop Java apps are in a different situation. In
this case we
write closed-source code that links to the core Java
libraries,
distribute that code, AND often distribute a full JRE just
to run our
program. This behavior is completely compatible with the
previous Sun
license on the JRE itself. It is obviously incompatible with
the GPL.
My impression is that Sun is providing the SOURCE CODE for
the compiler,
VM, and eventually the core libraries under the GPL. I
assume the
existing license will still be available for end-user JRE's
(the thing
that non-developers download), and that is sufficient for
people to
distribute proprietary code.
Anyone know for sure?
James
Ken Paulsen wrote:
> You may have heard already (I saw the thread last week,
but couldn't
> comment)... today is a big day for Java. At 9:30AM
Monday, check out:
>
> http://sun.com/opensou
rce/java
>
> Ken
>
> _______________________________________________
> Web Site - http://www.pjug.org/
> Javamail mailing list
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2006-11-14 07:02:06 |
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I can tell you that GlassFish will be dual licensed CDDL & GPL. So
it is likely Sun will adequately address your JRE concerns by either
dual licensing, or by not adding a GPL license to that part. ; It will
be interesting to watch this unfold over the next few months.
Check out this blog entry by Eduardo:
http://blogs.sun.com/theaquarium/entry/glassfish_and_cddl
The "GPLv2 w/ ClassPath Exception" is particularly interesting....
Ken
James Brundege wrote:
bioquery.com" type="cite">
Hey all,
I know the implications of Sun's new license of Java has been hotly
debated, but I've yet to hear a definitive conclusion, so I'll ask some
of the obvious questions here:
Does anyone know if Sun is changing the license on the JRE, or if there
will be any impact of the new GPL license on proprietary software
developers who want to distribute a JRE?
I know those of you who write internal enterprise software are happy
with GPL code since you don't distribute your apps. Those of use who
write desktop Java apps are in a different situation. In this case we
write closed-source code that links to the core Java libraries,
distribute that code, AND often distribute a full JRE just to run our
program. This behavior is completely compatible with the previous Sun
license on the JRE itself. It is obviously incompatible with the GPL.
My impression is that Sun is providing the SOURCE CODE for the compiler,
VM, and eventually the core libraries under the GPL. I assume the
existing license will still be available for end-user JRE's (the thing
that non-developers download), and that is sufficient for people to
distribute proprietary code.
Anyone know for sure?
James
Ken Paulsen wrote:
You may have heard already (I saw the thread last week, but couldn't
comment)... today is a big day for Java. At 9:30AM Monday, check out:
http://sun.com/opensource/java
Ken
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2006-11-14 22:24:54 |
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Hi,
Here is a naive question for the stalwarts in this group.Maybe I don't understand the process/licenses well enough.
What happens when IBM gets totally displeased with Sun and forks Java with an Apache Harmony version or some other version ?
IBM has the clout and could force all Websphere users to use their own version of the JDK and not be able to switch JDK's(Microsoft J#???? ).
It is great to have a lot of creativity(Generics came from GenericJ and what not) but I just hope there is 1 clear version of JDK to use or at least be able to replace 1 with another without any problems at all and not be stuck with f****** vendor lock.
Vijay
On 11/13/06, Ken Paulsen < Ken.Paulsensun.com">Ken.Paulsensun.com> wrote:
I can tell you that GlassFish will be dual licensed CDDL & GPL. So
it is likely Sun will adequately address your JRE concerns by either
dual licensing, or by not adding a GPL license to that part. ; It will
be interesting to watch this unfold over the next few months.
Check out this blog entry by Eduardo:
http://blogs.sun.com/theaquarium/entry/glassfish_and_cddl
The "GPLv2 w/ ClassPath Exception" is particularly interesting....
Ken
James Brundege wrote:
bioquery.com" type="cite">
Hey all,
I know the implications of Sun's new license of Java has been hotly
debated, but I've yet to hear a definitive conclusion, so I'll ask some
of the obvious questions here:
Does anyone know if Sun is changing the license on the JRE, or if there
will be any impact of the new GPL license on proprietary software
developers who want to distribute a JRE?
I know those of you who write internal enterprise software are happy
with GPL code since you don't distribute your apps. Those of use who
write desktop Java apps are in a different situation. In this case we
write closed-source code that links to the core Java libraries,
distribute that code, AND often distribute a full JRE just to run our
program. This behavior is completely compatible with the previous Sun
license on the JRE itself. It is obviously incompatible with the GPL.
My impression is that Sun is providing the SOURCE CODE for the compiler,
VM, and eventually the core libraries under the GPL. I assume the
existing license will still be available for end-user JRE's (the thing
that non-developers download), and that is sufficient for people to
distribute proprietary code.
Anyone know for sure?
James
Ken Paulsen wrote:
You may have heard already (I saw the thread last week, but couldn't
comment)... today is a big day for Java. At 9:30AM Monday, check out:
http://sun.com/opensource/java
Ken
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2006-11-15 01:24:51 |
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Disclaimer: I'm *not* an expert in this area in any sense of the word!
See below.
Vijay Balakrishnan wrote:
mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hi,
Here is a naive question for the stalwarts in this group.Maybe I don't
understand ; the process/licenses well enough.
What happens when IBM gets totally displeased with Sun and forks Java
with an Apache Harmony version or some other version ?
I don't know. ;) But perhaps I can raise more questions...
One issue they'd face w/ GPL is that if they modify the code, they have
to release that code under a GPL license (I think this is called
referred to as a viral license... CDDL on the other hand does not
require this).
Another question is when / how the remaining portions of Java SE are
licensed.
And last, I wonder if there's a difference between licensing the code
(implementation) versus the name / standard / technology.
mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">IBM has the clout and could force all Websphere users to
use their own version of the JDK and not be able to switch
JDK's(Microsoft J#???? ).
I think most businesses would require a "compatible" version to avoid
vendor lock-in etc. I don't think even IBM has enough clout to move
all its customers off Java -- I think most would jump ship to a
different Java EE implementation.
I think the JCP process will continue to be the (business) preferred
means for change within Java. ; It ensures collaboration and
standardization while allowing anyone to take the initiative to make
change.
However, it will be interesting to see what happens in practice!! It
will be cool to see what has happened a year from now.
mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">It is great to have a lot of creativity(Generics came from
GenericJ and what not) but I just hope there is 1 clear version of JDK
to use or at least be able to replace 1 with another without any
problems at all and not be stuck with f****** vendor lock.
You're not alone in this thinking. I think the market and the
companies addressing the market will be on the same page in this
respect. I know Sun has been vocal about this topic and ensuring
fragmentation and incompatibilities is a priority.
Ken Paulsen
sun.com">ken.paulsensun.com
https://jsftemplating.dev.java.net
mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
Vijay
On 11/13/06, Ken Paulsen <sun.com">Ken.Paulsensun.com> wrote:
I can tell you that GlassFish will be dual licensed CDDL & GPL. So
it is likely Sun will adequately address your JRE concerns by either
dual licensing, or by not adding a GPL license to that part. ; It will
be interesting to watch this unfold over the next few months.
Check out this blog entry by Eduardo:
http://blogs.sun.com/theaquarium/entry/glassfish_and_cddl
The "GPLv2 w/ ClassPath Exception" is particularly interesting....
Ken
James Brundege wrote:
bioquery.com"
type="cite">
Hey all,
I know the implications of Sun's new license of Java has been hotly
debated, but I've yet to hear a definitive conclusion, so I'll ask some
of the obvious questions here:
Does anyone know if Sun is changing the license on the JRE, or if there
will be any impact of the new GPL license on proprietary software
developers who want to distribute a JRE?
I know those of you who write internal enterprise software are happy
with GPL code since you don't distribute your apps. Those of use who
write desktop Java apps are in a different situation. In this case we
write closed-source code that links to the core Java libraries,
distribute that code, AND often distribute a full JRE just to run our
program. This behavior is completely compatible with the previous Sun
license on the JRE itself. It is obviously incompatible with the GPL.
My impression is that Sun is providing the SOURCE CODE for the compiler,
VM, and eventually the core libraries under the GPL. I assume the
existing license will still be available for end-user JRE's (the thing
that non-developers download), and that is sufficient for people to
distribute proprietary code.
Anyone know for sure?
James
Ken Paulsen wrote:
You may have heard already (I saw the thread last week, but couldn't
comment)... today is a big day for Java. At 9:30AM Monday, check out:
http://sun.com/opensource/java
Ken
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| Big day for Java |
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2006-11-15 02:22:37 |
Vijay Balakrishnan wrote:
" What happens when IBM gets totally displeased with
Sun and forks Java with
" an Apache Harmony version or some other version ?
" IBM has the clout and could force all Websphere
users to use their own
" version of the JDK and not be able to switch
JDK's(Microsoft J#???? ).
Just to be argumentative here ... 
IBM has a lot of clout. But they're also smart (mostly.)
They recognize to
some extent that specific-use languages (with the exception
of MS stuff) tend
to remain specific-use. Java in some flavor or another will
continue to be a
hot player for at least another decade.
Frankly, I'd like to see some custom forks of the JDK. How
about a super-fast
JME, maybe with the gc ripped out, so mobile devices can
really hum? (And
now to argue with myself -- ) We'll probably also see
several versions of JDK
that compile to native code for one chip or another,
bypassing the JVM. I
don't especially like that, but we'll probably see it. I
predict the first
one in about six months.
--
Richard Johnson
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