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2006-11-23 03:43:45 |
I just found this trending tool. Now it is possible to
graph trends
in the portland job market.
Here is an example, when you include Visual Basic the .NET
platform
has caught up with Java in job postings:
http://www.
indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%28c%23+or+vb+or+%22asp.net%22%29+and
+portland%2C+java+and+portland
Jonathan
PS Be careful not to draw the wrong conclusions. It appears
that the
Portland job market is shrinking. However, it is only
shrinking
relative to the total indexed jobs. For example, if indeed
has
started to index a new newspaper in Kansas, it could
increase the
total indexed jobs and shrink the relative size of the jobs
in
Portland.
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2006-11-23 14:29:19 |
Based on that graph, it's been caught up for a long time. If
the trend
showed Java losing ground to C#, I'd be worried, but it
looks like their
more or less tracking in lockstep.
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Of Jonathan Hager
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:44 PM
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Subject: [PJUG Javamail] Trends in Employment
I just found this trending tool. Now it is possible to
graph trends in the
portland job market.
Here is an example, when you include Visual Basic the .NET
platform has
caught up with Java in job postings:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%2
8c%23+or+vb+or+%22asp.net%22%29+and+port
land%2C+java+and+portland
Jonathan
PS Be careful not to draw the wrong conclusions. It appears
that the
Portland job market is shrinking. However, it is only
shrinking relative to
the total indexed jobs. For example, if indeed has started
to index a new
newspaper in Kansas, it could increase the total indexed
jobs and shrink the
relative size of the jobs in Portland.
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2006-11-23 16:48:10 |
Keep in mind that this is measuring openings, not positions.
Here's a bit of turkey fun for your reading pleasure.
<java-centric-nerd-viewpoint>
The .net community is churning jobs because noone likes
their job,
simply showing once again that .net sucks. The graphs
clearly show
this by the increase in the number of postings for .net.
Employers
can't keep people in these positions, so surely none of us
would want
the position. Since Java is great, everyone stays in their
position
and the only openings are for growth positions.
</java-centric-nerd-viewpoint>
<.net-centric-nerd-viewpoint>
Java jobs are dying and going away all because .net is a
much greater
environment to use. This can be clearly seen in the graph
as the java
jobs line is slowly decreasing over time. Quickly get up
to speed on
.net before you're the only java programmer left.
</.net-centric-nerd-viewpoint>
OK, so neither of these points are accurate, but they were
both taken
from the indeed.com data. Simply another example of how
statistics
can be bent any which way you want to bend them. As
Jonathan stated
earlier, these are percentages, which makes playing with the
numbers and
conclusions even more fun.
Don't eat too much.
Joe
Chris Kessel/Lou Doherty wrote:
> Based on that graph, it's been caught up for a long
time. If the trend
> showed Java losing ground to C#, I'd be worried, but it
looks like their
> more or less tracking in lockstep.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: javamail-bouncespjug.org
[mailto:javamail-bouncespjug.org] On Behalf
> Of Jonathan Hager
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:44 PM
> To: PJUG Email List (E-mail)
> Subject: [PJUG Javamail] Trends in Employment
>
> I just found this trending tool. Now it is possible to
graph trends in the
> portland job market.
>
> Here is an example, when you include Visual Basic the
.NET platform has
> caught up with Java in job postings:
>
> http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%2
8c%23+or+vb+or+%22asp.net%22%29+and+port
> land%2C+java+and+portland
>
> Jonathan
>
> PS Be careful not to draw the wrong conclusions. It
appears that the
> Portland job market is shrinking. However, it is only
shrinking relative to
> the total indexed jobs. For example, if indeed has
started to index a new
> newspaper in Kansas, it could increase the total
indexed jobs and shrink the
> relative size of the jobs in Portland.
>
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2006-11-25 04:20:11 |
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Pretty funny, Joe.  Actually, I currently don't know enough about J2EE and .NET to make determine which is technically superior. I have heard it said that .NET is very much in demand, because there are fewer ".NET nerds"; than "java nerds";. As a neutral nerd looking for work who would be happy for a job on either platform, I gravitated to java because the java community is so much more supportive and it seems a lot easier to get experience in java technology. Go over to the PANUG (Portland Area .NET User Group) website and check out how much traffic there is on their forum. It doesn't come close to being as useful and active as this mailing list. The numerous open source projects using java gives folks in my position an avenue to get experience and hone their skills. To the best of my knowledge, this avenue does not exist in .NET.
On 11/23/06, Joe Hoffman < joeintelopment.com">joeintelopment.com> wrote:
Keep in mind that this is measuring openings, not positions.
Here's a bit of turkey fun for your reading pleasure.
<java-centric-nerd-viewpoint>
The .net community is churning jobs because noone likes their job,
simply showing once again that .net sucks. The graphs clearly show
this by the increase in the number of postings for .net. ; Employers
can't keep people in these positions, so surely none of us would want
the position. Since Java is great, everyone stays in their position
and the only openings are for growth positions.
</java-centric-nerd-viewpoint>
<.net-centric-nerd-viewpoint>
Java jobs are dying and going away all because .net is a much greater
environment to use. This can be clearly seen in the graph as the java
jobs line is slowly decreasing over time. ; Quickly get up to speed on
.net before you're the only java programmer left.
</.net-centric-nerd-viewpoint>
OK, so neither of these points are accurate, but they were both taken
from the indeed.com
data. ; Simply another example of how statistics
can be bent any which way you want to bend them. ; As Jonathan stated
earlier, these are percentages, which makes playing with the numbers and
conclusions even more fun.
Don't eat too much.
Joe
Chris Kessel/Lou Doherty wrote:
>; Based on that graph, it's been caught up for a long time. If the trend
> showed Java losing ground to C#, I'd be worried, but it looks like their
>; more or less tracking in lockstep.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: javamail-bouncespjug.org">javamail-bouncespjug.org [mailto: javamail-bouncespjug.org">
javamail-bouncespjug.org] On Behalf
>; Of Jonathan Hager
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:44 PM
> To: PJUG Email List (E-mail)
> Subject: [PJUG Javamail] Trends in Employment
>
> I just found this trending tool. ; Now it is possible to graph trends in the
> portland job market.
>
> Here is an example, when you include Visual Basic the .NET platform has
> caught up with Java in job postings:
>
>
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=%28c%23+or+vb+or+%22asp.net%22%29+and+port
> land%2C+java+and+portland
>
> Jonathan
>
> PS Be careful not to draw the wrong conclusions. It appears that the
> Portland job market is shrinking. ;However, it is only shrinking relative to
> the total indexed jobs. ; For example, if indeed has started to index a new
> newspaper in Kansas, it could increase the total indexed jobs and shrink the
> relative size of the jobs in Portland.
>
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