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How to manually transform a page by Padma?
country flaguser name
India		 2007-05-09 09:15:36 
I have created a local html file in Chanakya font (hindi/
devnagari) as 
follows:

<html><head><title>none</title></
head>
<body><font face="Chanakya">
·¤æÇüU ÅUæ§üÂ
·ýðçÇUÅU ·¤æÇüU Ù¢ÕÚU
·¤æÇüU Âýæ#·¤ÚUÌæ ·¤æ Ùæ×
â×æç# ÌæÚUè¹
</font>
</body>
</html>

when I move this file say chankaya.html into my firefox tab,
it shows

�����U �U��� �����U�U
�����U ٢��U �����U
���#���U�� ��� ��� ����#
���U�

1. Why is automatic transformation not taking place?

2. How to force-transform it?

3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I can't
associate any url/ 
site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What should I do and
what should I 
for such files in the padma options window to automatically
transform 
any particular file on my harddisk?

any other tips.

has some urgency. a quick response will be highly
appreciated.

thanks & regards.
-- 
Rawat
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Re: How to manually transform a page by Padma?
user name
 2007-05-09 09:34:26 
Automatic transform works by examining URL's. The main
reason for this
is not to slow down loading of pages that Padma does not
know how to
process. You can use the manual transformer here - select
the text,
bring up the context menu (right click typically), and click
on
Transform to Unicode.

Thanks,
Nagarjuna

On 5/9/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:
> I have created a local html file in Chanakya font
(hindi/ devnagari) as
> follows:
>
>
<html><head><title>none</title></
head>
> <body><font face="Chanakya">
> ·¤æÇüU ÅUæ§üÂ
> ·ýðçÇUÅU ·¤æÇüU Ù¢ÕÚU
> ·¤æÇüU Âýæ#·¤ÚUÌæ ·¤æ Ùæ×
> â×æç# ÌæÚUè¹
> </font>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> when I move this file say chankaya.html into my firefox
tab, it shows
>
> �����U �U��� �����U�U
�����U ٢��U �����U
���#���U�� ��� ��� ����#
���U�
>
> 1. Why is automatic transformation not taking place?
>
> 2. How to force-transform it?
>
> 3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I can't
associate any url/
> site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What should I do
and what should I
> for such files in the padma options window to
automatically transform
> any particular file on my harddisk?
>
> any other tips.
>
> has some urgency. a quick response will be highly
appreciated.
>
> thanks & regards.
> --
> Rawat
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v.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
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Re: How to manually transform a page by Padma?
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India		 2007-05-09 10:27:47 
thanks, Nagarjuna for the quick response.

just clicking right click on the page bring right click menu
in which no 
padma related option is there.

so I selected the entire text of the page, and then selected
"Transform 
to Unicode".

Nothing happened.

Is something wrong in the html that I cooked up manually.
attaching the 
file there for your analysis.

if attachments are not allowed, then the html code is in the
previous 
message quoted below.

Kindly have a look at it and advise me why this code is not
triggering 
the manual transform to unicode.

thanks and regards.
-- 
Rawat


On 5/9/2007 08:04 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_ wrote:

> Automatic transform works by examining URL's. The main
reason for this
> is not to slow down loading of pages that Padma does
not know how to
> process. You can use the manual transformer here -
select the text,
> bring up the context menu (right click typically), and
click on
> Transform to Unicode.
> 
> Thanks,
> Nagarjuna
> 
> On 5/9/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:
>> I have created a local html file in Chanakya font
(hindi/ devnagari) as
>> follows:
>>
>>
<html><head><title>none</title></
head>
>> <body><font face="Chanakya">
>> ·¤æÇüU ÅUæ§üÂ
>> ·ýðçÇUÅU ·¤æÇüU Ù¢ÕÚU
>> ·¤æÇüU Âýæ#·¤ÚUÌæ ·¤æ Ùæ×
>> â×æç# ÌæÚUè¹
>> </font>
>> </body>
>> </html>
>>
>> when I move this file say chankaya.html into my
firefox tab, it shows
>>
>> �����U �U��� �����U�U
�����U ٢��U �����U
���#���U�� ��� ��� ����#
���U�
>>
>> 1. Why is automatic transformation not taking
place?
>>
>> 2. How to force-transform it?
>>
>> 3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I can't
associate any url/
>> site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What should I
do and what should I
>> for such files in the padma options window to
automatically transform
>> any particular file on my harddisk?
>>
>> any other tips.
>>
>> has some urgency. a quick response will be highly
appreciated.
>>
>> thanks & regards.
>> --
>> Rawat


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Re: How to manually transform a page by Padma?
user name
 2007-05-09 16:31:40 
Not sure what are doing wrong. I saved your HTML locally and
after
selecting the transfrom to unicode option, here is what I
have -

कार्ड टाईप क्रेडिट
कार्ड नंबर कार्ड
प्राप्तकरता का नाम
समाप्ति तारीख

Thanks

On 5/9/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:
> thanks, Nagarjuna for the quick response.
>
> just clicking right click on the page bring right click
menu in which no
> padma related option is there.
>
> so I selected the entire text of the page, and then
selected "Transform
> to Unicode".
>
> Nothing happened.
>
> Is something wrong in the html that I cooked up
manually. attaching the
> file there for your analysis.
>
> if attachments are not allowed, then the html code is
in the previous
> message quoted below.
>
> Kindly have a look at it and advise me why this code is
not triggering
> the manual transform to unicode.
>
> thanks and regards.
> --
> Rawat
>
>
> On 5/9/2007 08:04 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_
wrote:
>
> > Automatic transform works by examining URL's. The
main reason for this
> > is not to slow down loading of pages that Padma
does not know how to
> > process. You can use the manual transformer here -
select the text,
> > bring up the context menu (right click typically),
and click on
> > Transform to Unicode.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Nagarjuna
> >
> > On 5/9/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:
> >> I have created a local html file in Chanakya
font (hindi/ devnagari) as
> >> follows:
> >>
> >>
<html><head><title>none</title></
head>
> >> <body><font
face="Chanakya">
> >> ·¤æÇüU ÅUæ§üÂ
> >> ·ýðçÇUÅU ·¤æÇüU Ù¢ÕÚU
> >> ·¤æÇüU Âýæ#·¤ÚUÌæ ·¤æ Ùæ×
> >> â×æç# ÌæÚUè¹
> >> </font>
> >> </body>
> >> </html>
> >>
> >> when I move this file say chankaya.html into
my firefox tab, it shows
> >>
> >> �����U �U���
�����U�U �����U ٢��U
�����U ���#���U�� ���
��� ����# ���U�
> >>
> >> 1. Why is automatic transformation not taking
place?
> >>
> >> 2. How to force-transform it?
> >>
> >> 3. this is a local file on my hard disk, so I
can't associate any url/
> >> site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What
should I do and what should I
> >> for such files in the padma options window to
automatically transform
> >> any particular file on my harddisk?
> >>
> >> any other tips.
> >>
> >> has some urgency. a quick response will be
highly appreciated.
> >>
> >> thanks & regards.
> >> --
> >> Rawat
>
>
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Re: How to manually transform a page by Padma?
user name
 2007-05-09 18:39:02 
I did the same thing as Nagarjuna. Padma is transforming the
text in the HTML.

Rawat which version of Padma are you using ?

Thanks
Saravanan

On 5/9/07, Nagarjuna Venna <vnagarjunagmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure what are doing wrong. I saved your HTML
locally and after
> selecting the transfrom to unicode option, here is what
I have -
>
> कार्ड टाईप क्रेडिट
कार्ड नंबर कार्ड
प्राप्तकरता का नाम
समाप्ति तारीख
>
> Thanks
>
> On 5/9/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:
> > thanks, Nagarjuna for the quick response.
> >
> > just clicking right click on the page bring right
click menu in which no
> > padma related option is there.
> >
> > so I selected the entire text of the page, and
then selected "Transform
> > to Unicode".
> >
> > Nothing happened.
> >
> > Is something wrong in the html that I cooked up
manually. attaching the
> > file there for your analysis.
> >
> > if attachments are not allowed, then the html code
is in the previous
> > message quoted below.
> >
> > Kindly have a look at it and advise me why this
code is not triggering
> > the manual transform to unicode.
> >
> > thanks and regards.
> > --
> > Rawat
> >
> >
> > On 5/9/2007 08:04 PM India Time, _Nagarjuna Venna_
wrote:
> >
> > > Automatic transform works by examining URL's.
The main reason for this
> > > is not to slow down loading of pages that
Padma does not know how to
> > > process. You can use the manual transformer
here - select the text,
> > > bring up the context menu (right click
typically), and click on
> > > Transform to Unicode.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Nagarjuna
> > >
> > > On 5/9/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:
> > >> I have created a local html file in
Chanakya font (hindi/ devnagari) as
> > >> follows:
> > >>
> > >>
<html><head><title>none</title></
head>
> > >> <body><font
face="Chanakya">
> > >> ·¤æÇüU ÅUæ§üÂ
> > >> ·ýðçÇUÅU ·¤æÇüU Ù¢ÕÚU
> > >> ·¤æÇüU Âýæ#·¤ÚUÌæ ·¤æ
Ùæ×
> > >> â×æç# ÌæÚUè¹
> > >> </font>
> > >> </body>
> > >> </html>
> > >>
> > >> when I move this file say chankaya.html
into my firefox tab, it shows
> > >>
> > >> �����U �U���
�����U�U �����U ٢��U
�����U ���#���U�� ���
��� ����# ���U�
> > >>
> > >> 1. Why is automatic transformation not
taking place?
> > >>
> > >> 2. How to force-transform it?
> > >>
> > >> 3. this is a local file on my hard disk,
so I can't associate any url/
> > >> site name with it (no www.xxxx.com). What
should I do and what should I
> > >> for such files in the padma options
window to automatically transform
> > >> any particular file on my harddisk?
> > >>
> > >> any other tips.
> > >>
> > >> has some urgency. a quick response will
be highly appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> thanks & regards.
> > >> --
> > >> Rawat
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Padmamozdev.org
> > http://mozde
v.org/mailman/listinfo/padma
> >
> >
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Re: How to manually transform a page by Padma?
user name
 2007-05-10 07:23:35 
On 5/10/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:
> - padma is clashing with something in my profile
settings of firefox.
> Now that is really problematic to debug.

Can you see if there is anything in the Javascript console
when the
manual transform did not work (Tools->Error Console)?

> While we are at it, padma "options" from
firefox don't have any entry of
> which "fonts" are converted by padma. We need
to go to padma's websites
> to see which fonts are getting coverted. I think it
should display some
> list of the fonts being converted by padma, within
firefox add-on/ padma
> options, about window itself.
>

Will do in a later release.

Thanks,
Nagarjuna
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Fwd: How to manually transform a page by Padma?
user name
 2007-05-12 08:34:57 
Comments from Anvar...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Padma <padma.kodungallurgmail.com>
Date: May 12, 2007 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Padma] How to manually transform a page by
Padma?
To: Nagarjuna Venna <vnagarjunagmail.com>


I think the problem is related to the selection of
encoding.
If the Unicode encoding was selected as default, Padma won't
work in
manual mode. In Auto mode, however the fix will be applied.

 From his initial mail, the text was shown in Unicode Junk ,
instead of
western Junk !
Nothing related to Padma and Firefox ! Not a bug...
[I couldn't post the mail to the mailing list, but already
send to
Mr.Rawat directly]
If this observation is correct please send this to the
mailing list, so
that any others can make use of the trick !

Regards
Padma

Nagarjuna Venna wrote:
> On 5/10/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> - padma is clashing with something in my profile
settings of firefox.
>> Now that is really problematic to debug.
>>
>
> Can you see if there is anything in the Javascript
console when the
> manual transform did not work (Tools->Error
Console)?
>
>
>> While we are at it, padma "options" from
firefox don't have any entry of
>> which "fonts" are converted by padma. We
need to go to padma's websites
>> to see which fonts are getting coverted. I think it
should display some
>> list of the fonts being converted by padma, within
firefox add-on/ padma
>> options, about window itself.
>>
>>
>
> Will do in a later release.
>
> Thanks,
> Nagarjuna
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Re: Fwd: How to manually transform a page by Padma?
user name
 2007-05-13 08:47:49 
On 5/12/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:
> However, I couldn't understand what is the merit of
keeping padma
> working only on non-unicode character encoding, and
keeping it not
> working on unicode encoding.

Padma converts proprietary formats to Unicode: if the text
is Unicode
encoded there is *nothing* to do, it is already Unicode.

There might be value in making the user aware of it - doing
that
within the confines of a browser is rather difficult. It has
to be
balanced against usage where user selects both unicode and
non-unicode
text for transform at the same time. No one wants to see an
error
message in the latter case.

Thanks,
Nagarjuna
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Re: Fwd: How to manually transform a page by Padma?
user name
 2007-05-13 19:54:10 
On 5/13/07, V S Rawat <vsrawatgmail.com> wrote:

>
> I struggled with padma for a long time due to lack of
error (or should I
> say guidance) messages.
>
> anyway. when the page text is really in unicode, why
should the error
> message be shown? By checking the code of the
character, we can find out
> that it is in unicode code range, hence no error
message needs to be
> displayed. But if there is enough text in non unicode
range and the
> encoding is unicode, then the message can be
displayed.
>

Sorry if my tone came across as dismissive as I fully
understand your
point about how cryptic Padma is. If I were working full
time on this,
I would pay a lot more attention to such details. Almost all
of the
work on Padma is done in my spare time, so I have focused
on
attributes that I think made the software valuable. In my
mind these
are making the software robust and adding support for as
many fonts as
possible. For the kind of things that you have run into, I
think that
as long as the code is solid the community will be able to
help you
find the issue (as has happened here).

As always, it is a question of priorities and I think we
disagree on
what they should be. I will be glad to accept any code
contributions
that can help make Padma less cryptic to the users (among
other
things).

Thanks
Nagarjuna
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