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Re: PCL or PostScript
country flaguser name
Netherlands
2007-02-10 10:55:59
Henry G Belot schreef:
> Theo:
>
>   
>> ...PCL is the rival of PostScript (according to
Wikipedia), so not 
>> interchangeable.
>>   
>>     
>
> I'm not really up on the topic, but if Wikipedia is
describing PCL as a 
> "rival" of PostScript, they should choose a
better word or clarify 
> themselves.

Rival is my word. Wikipedia in Dutch talks about
(translated): 'The 
largest counterpart of PCL is PostScript ' (I just looked it
up 
).
Is this a better translation?

> Historically, the two were rivals only in the sense
that 
> they were rivals in /quality/ in the printers that
supported them back 
> when computer printers were moving from the 9-pin, dot
matrix era where 
> you got only the fonts built into the printer to the
present era of true 
> translation of what you get on the screen to the
printed page.
>
> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but PCL is a
Hewlett/Packard protocol 
> used within their printers but popular enough to be
included as an 
> option in other brands as well. As far as I know, it's
never been 
> promoted as an independent tool for formatting
documents. With 
> PostScript you have an intermediate file which you can
open in an editor 
> and see that it's a page description language which can
be modified 
> directly—at least you might want to modify the header
information. To 
> the best of my knowledge, you can't do that in PCL. PCL
is always in the 
> printer directly or by emulation and there's no
intermediate file to 
> deal with. Many printers have it, although I doubt that
most of the 
> cheap ones would these days. It could be useful if you
don't have the 
> right printer driver for your particular printer.
"Interchangeable" 
> isn't really quite the right word to describe the
relationship since 
> there was never any attempt to promote PCL in that
way.
>   
OK, that is the problem. I think in Dutch, and try to write
in English.
What my point is: you can't buy a PCL printer and think it
can handle 
PostScript (or the other way around). So: PostScript and PCL
aren't 
interchangeable.
Or even buy a GDI (Windows) printer and hope it can
understand PCL or 
PostScript.

On the other hand, I saw Brother printers which can print
with PCL 
and/or PostScript (as long as have enough money to spend).

> HB
>   

Theo


 
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Re: PCL or PostScript
country flaguser name
United States
2007-02-10 14:08:13
Theo:

> ...What my point is: you can't buy a PCL printer and
think it can handle 
> PostScript (or the other way around). So: PostScript
and PCL aren't 
> interchangeable.
>   

Yup. "Interchangeable" is a good word. And, as I
remember, the original 
correspondent's situation is complicated by the limited
printer support 
on Amigas. In Windows you frequently can use PostScript with
a PCL 
printer if the manufacturer supplies software to perform the
translation 
within the computer. Virtually all inkjet printers that
offer 
"PostScript support" work in this way. There's no
support within the 
printer itself.

HB


 
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Re: PCL or PostScript
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Canada
2007-02-10 15:27:48
Greetings  "Theo Zweers" <tjzwrsxs4all.nl>
On 10/02/2007 at 16:55 you wrote concerning
Re: [PageStreamSupport] PCL or PostScript


HI Theo,

<<snip>>
TZ>> I'm not really up on the topic, but if Wikipedia
is describing PCL as a 
TZ>> "rival" of PostScript, they should
choose a better word or clarify 
TZ>> themselves.

TZ> Rival is my word. Wikipedia in Dutch talks about
(translated): 'The 
TZ> largest counterpart of PCL is PostScript ' (I just
looked it up  ).
TZ> Is this a better translation?

It may be a better translation, but the resulting statement
is equally ignorant
and misleading.

<<snip>>
TZ> OK, that is the problem. I think in Dutch, and try to
write in English.

To anyone who native tongue is Dutch and writes as well as
you do in English, I
salute. On my last visit to Amsterdam, I was astonished as
to how many people
understood me in English. When English failed, I tried
German. On exactly ONE
occassion, the recipient of my entreaty walked away. The
Dutch are incredible
when it comes to language. Salud!


TZ> What my point is: you can't buy a PCL printer and
think it can handle 
TZ> PostScript (or the other way around). 

Exactly!


TZ> So: PostScript and PCL aren't  interchangeable.

Exactly!


TZ> Or even buy a GDI (Windows) printer and hope it can
understand PCL or 
TZ> PostScript.

Don't know about GDI but it sounds right!  


TZ> On the other hand, I saw Brother printers which can
print with PCL 
TZ> and/or PostScript (as long as have enough money to
spend).

So that Brother printer must contain both a PCL engine as
well as a PostScript
one. Very nice! 


Cheers  Don (Green Dragon)
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