Greetings "Tim Doty" < drakki%40rollanet.org">drakki
rollanet.org>
On 09/04/2007 at 21:48 you wrote concerning
Re: [PageStreamSupport] Re: Weird little problem!
Hello Tim,
TD>> TD>> They are not optional in PageStream either! If you
TD>> TD>> don't use
TD>> TD>> your own styles or the ones that come with the
TD>> TD>> unpacked
TD>> TD>> version, then <No Style> is in effect.
TD>>
TD>> TD> But <No Style> is exactly that, it is no style.
TD>>
TD>> In my understanding, the above is simply false.
TD> Eh? No style is when there is no style in effect. I thought that was a
TD> simple statement?
It is a simple statement, but, to the best of my understanding, it is simply
false.
TD> Simple experiment: type text in a new text frame in PgS, export that and...
TD> there are no style tags. Why? Because there are no styles. The style will be
TD>; shown as <No Style> because it has to show *something*
I suggest you redo your experiment. When the "Export text" window appears, set
Filter = Ascii
Text Codes = PageStream
and in the resulting file you will clearly see the formatting information. An
application of the paragraph style <No Style> is indicated by 'P:' and an
application of the character style <No Style> is indicated by 'C:'. An
application of a paragraph style that you have defined is indicated in the
usual manner:
P«name of your para style»:
Even so your experiment is the wrong one! 
Try this! Create a text frame
and enter three lines (three paras, the second being blank or null)
-----
Text set with <No Style>.
Text set with BigHead.
-----
Where 'BigHead' refers to one of the styles you have defined and which contains
some attributes so that the resulting text is readily (visually) distinguishable
from the attributes that relate to the current state of your <No Style>.
Now highlight the third line and apply the para style 'BigHead'. At this point,
the difference between the first and last lines should be visually evident.
Finally, transfer to your text editor from PageStream (Edit -> Send to Editor)
-- think it is Notepad!?!? -- and examine the formatting codes. You may see
something
like:
-----begin Pageliner text-----
<PageStream3.0>[]
P:C:<t0%><T3><*l><lr,120%><*k1><;*h1><;*t><;f"Garamond-Normal">;
<z14pt><h100%><*i0.1667",0.1667",0.3333"><*sf,0pt,f,0pt>
Text set with <<>No Style<>>.[]
[]
PBigHead:Text set with BigHead.[]
-----end Pageliner text-----
Possibly you will see something quite different because your <No Style> is
undoubtedly quite different from the version that I used for the example above.
The data following 'P:C:' is precisely the specifications that I had set when
I revised the 'definition' of <No Style>. Of course, the above is a bit mangled
by the fact that YAM here cuts lines at 80 characters.
The details associated with 'BigHead' are, of course, hidden. Here, the styles
<No Style> and BigHead are so different that back in PageStream a casual glance
tells one that different styles have been applied to the paragraphs.
To make it even more obvious that <No Style> is indeed a style, highlight your
line
Text set with BigHead.
and apply the paragraph style <No Style> (use '¶' button in Edit Palette or
equivalent) to the line above, and the text will revert to the format specified
by <No Style>. Setting the cursor somewhere within "Text set with BigHead." will
surely convince you that that region of text is now styled via <No Style> as the
Edit Palette will claim.
TD>>; TD> PgS has
TD>> TD> to have a way to tell you that there is no style and
TD>> TD> that is how it does it.
TD>>
TD>> No. That is misleading.
TD> How?
Because <No Style> can be a paragraph style or a character style, a possibility
which I've attempted to clarify above and elsewhere.
<<snip>>
TD>> TD> Not recommended, but you can create a PgS document
TD>> TD> without ever using a style.
Once again, I claim that the above is misleading at best. Yes, you can create a
PageStream document with ever "defining" or "introducing" a paragraph style,
but whether you like it or not, PageStream will apply <No Style> if you give no
other instruction.
However, one can create vastly different documents without ever using anything
but <No Style> or, as you may prefer to state, "without ever using a style";.
You want a doc which uses Triumvirate-Bold at 24 points, with relative leading
at 150%, which is right aligned, has a left margin of 2 picas, a first line
indent of 1 pica, etc., etc., -- No problem! Just go into
File -> Preferences... -> Type -> Edit...
and reset the various fields, parameters, as noted above, then close with SAVE
and thereafter without ever applying any styles you will produce documents with
the bizarre attributes noted above.
You want plain-jane looking docs which 'reasonable' people might create, then
again visit
File -> Preferences... -> Type -> Edit...
and set the parameters, fields, etc., to 'reasonable' values and you will end up
with simple -- no need to ever apply any style -- docs that will look just
fine. Just don't try and write a 500-page technical doc with the only
functioning style being <No Style>. Of course, if one wants to do that, go
ahead, PageStream don't mind.
<<snip>>
TD>>; I'm sure you know, one can modify or redefine <No Style> by
TD>;> going to
TD>;>
TD>> File -> Preferences... -> Type
TD> Modifying default settings is different from setting a style.
What I was suggesting above is that one can redefine, reset, rejigger the
attributes that relate to the paragraph style <No Style>. Doing what I have
suggested with <No Style> is NOT akin to "setting a style"; which I intrepret to
mean "define or introduce a new style." Unlike a style that one creates for
special puposes, <No Style> cannot be treated like any user-defined style. <No
Style> already exists, one can only modify it. For example, I don't think that
one can 'delete' or 'remove' <No Style>. PageStream forbid that one could! On
opening
Edit -> Define -> Text Styles...
the style <No Style> is NOT listed and therefore the REMOVE operation cannot be
performed on it. On the other hand, it can be modified at will, and such
modification is both feasible and reasonable. The fact that <No Style> does NOT
have to be modified is an excellent design choice for beginners in PageStream.
The fact that <No Style> can be modified is also excellent and germane but for
users with a little experience.
If you still insist that <No Style> is not a bona fide style, then do this:
%% Open "Edit -> Define -> Text Styles..."
%% Insure that the 'Type' field is set to 'Paragraph'.
%% Highlight and then REMOVE every style. At this point, you have no
user-defined styles available.
