Re: OSX now we're moving

On 10/08/07, PageStream Support wrote:

> No problem. If you will send money for a personal servant they can
> feed me while I work. and buy an air conditioner Today is going to
> be the hotest day of the week so we are going to go to town for the
> day. Gonna leave in a few minutes before it gets too hot. I will
>; however get some work done at the library. They are a local wifi
>; hotspot and have the A/C cranked way up!

How are you getting electrical power at home? Can you connect to a local
power company?

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Don Cox wrote:
> On 10/08/07, PageStream Support wrote:
>
>
>
>>; No problem. If you will send money for a personal servant they can
>> feed me while I work. and buy an air conditioner Today is going to
>> be the hotest day of the week so we are going to go to town for the
>> day. Gonna leave in a few minutes before it gets too hot. I will
>;> however get some work done at the library. They are a local wifi
>;> hotspot and have the A/C cranked way up!
>>
>
> How are you getting electrical power at home? Can you connect to a local
> power company?
>
>; Regards
>
Right now I use a borrowed small honda generator (it is so quite and
efficient, I am very surprised!), but it has to go back soon. I have
batteries and inverter sitting here waiting to get installed. Not a big
bank like I really need but enough to get started. Wind mill will be the
first "green" power source coming online. Just need time and money (like
anyone's project)!

We did not contact the local power companies (we are actually on the
border between two), but the nearest powerlines are at least 4 miles
away. Last quote I heard 3rd hand was 150k for the lines and the
"privilege" to pay a monthly electric bill. I can install enough solar
panels/batteries/etc to power a large house for 15% of that.

Deron

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>> How are you getting electrical power at home?
>> Can you connect to a local power company?
>
>; I have batteries and inverter sitting here waiting to get installed. Not
> a big bank like I really need but enough to get started.
>
>; Wind mill will be the first "green" power source coming online.
> Just need time and money (like anyone's project)!
>
> We did not contact the local power companies (we are actually on the
> border between two), but the nearest powerlines are at least 4 miles
> away. Last quote I heard 3rd hand was 150k for the lines and the
> "privilege" to pay a monthly electric bill. I can install enough solar
> panels/batteries/etc to power a large house for 15% of that.

I have been looking into vertical axis wind turbines of various designs; it
sounds like you want to average no less than 10 mph winds. Don't know about
more common horizontal axis "bird killer" propeller types.

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Jim Saklad wrote:
>>> How are you getting electrical power at home?
>>> Can you connect to a local power company?
>>>
>>; I have batteries and inverter sitting here waiting to get installed. Not
>>; a big bank like I really need but enough to get started.
>>
>> Wind mill will be the first "green" power source coming online.
>> Just need time and money (like anyone's project)!
>>
>> We did not contact the local power companies (we are actually on the
>>; border between two), but the nearest powerlines are at least 4 miles
>>; away. Last quote I heard 3rd hand was 150k for the lines and the
>>; "privilege" to pay a monthly electric bill. I can install enough solar
>>; panels/batteries/etc to power a large house for 15% of that.
>>
>
> I have been looking into vertical axis wind turbines of various designs; it
> sounds like you want to average no less than 10 mph winds. Don't know about
> more common horizontal axis "bird killer" propeller types.
>
>
First, forgive me folks for the off topic discussions!

I've done quite a lot of investigation into this. First, we are open
prairie and some of the best wind location in the country except for sea
shore!

Vertical axis turbines are not much more than for fun. They have a much
lower efficiency. No matter what you do, you still have wind pushing
against the end coming at it. Every once in awhile someone claims to
have "discovered"; a way around this, but at no time has actual data
proven otherwise. This is why all commercial turbines are horizontal.

The bird killer thing is a bit unfair. The first large scale commercial
wind farm was installed along a CA migratory bird ridge. They have since
learned their lesson and actually look at that kind of data before
installing them. Data has shown power lines, cars, clean windows and
other things to be more dangerous.

As far as small scale horizontal axis wind turbines, I've seen video
footage of hummingbirds dancing between the blades as if skipping rope.
Large online list of folks, and none have killed a bird unless the bird
died far from the turbine.

Still collecting the parts for mine. To save money I'm scrounging much
of the structure. I'll share some pictures when I get somewhere with it!

Back on topic, I'm busy moving bugs from the old bugzilla database today
to the new system.

Deron

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Deron:

> ...First, forgive me folks for the off topic discussions!
>

No need to apologize. I, for one, find it fascinating even though I live
in a major city, overpay for privatized power, and will never have a
situation where I'll need to rely on green power.

I would suggest we open a new topic that begins "OT:," so we all know
what to expect.

HB

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>> ...First, forgive me folks for the off topic discussions!
>
> No need to apologize. I, for one, find it fascinating even though I live
> in a major city, overpay for privatized power, and will never have a
> situation where I'll need to rely on green power.

I live in farm country a half-hour from downtown Baltimore, Maryland, USA,
and we lose power pretty much every year - sometimes for days at a time. In
1965 I was in college in New England when the grid went down and
practically all of New England was without power, many parts for several
days (including New York, Boston, Providence, Hartford, New Haven, etc.)

And beyond that, I would rather pay up front for a system that can make me
grid-independent than pay monthly at escalating rates.

And so far, all the computers I have used require either constant AC power
or periodic recharging (so it's not completely OT....).

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Jim:

> ...I was in college in New England when the grid went down and
> practically all of New England was without power...

I was in California then, but I live there now.

> ...And so far, all the computers I have used require either constant AC power
> or periodic recharging (so it's not completely OT....).
>

Thanks for reminding me. I need a new battery for my UPS.

HB

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PageStream Support wrote:
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> First, forgive me folks for the off topic discussions!

No worries! We SHOULD all be interested in this topic and try to leave a
better world for our grandchildren.



>
> I've done quite a lot of investigation into this. First, we are open
> prairie and some of the best wind location in the country except for sea
> shore!
>
> Vertical axis turbines are not much more than for fun. They have a much
> lower efficiency. No matter what you do, you still have wind pushing
> against the end coming at it. Every once in awhile someone claims to
> have "discovered"; a way around this, but at no time has actual data
> proven otherwise. This is why all commercial turbines are horizontal.
>
> The bird killer thing is a bit unfair. The first large scale commercial
> wind farm was installed along a CA migratory bird ridge. They have since
> learned their lesson and actually look at that kind of data before
> installing them. Data has shown power lines, cars, clean windows and
> other things to be more dangerous.
>
> As far as small scale horizontal axis wind turbines, I've seen video
> footage of hummingbirds dancing between the blades as if skipping rope.
> Large online list of folks, and none have killed a bird unless the bird
> died far from the turbine.
>
> Still collecting the parts for mine. To save money I'm scrounging much
> of the structure. I'll share some pictures when I get somewhere with it!
>
> Back on topic, I'm busy moving bugs from the old bugzilla database today
> to the new system.
>
> Deron
>

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