Re: Facing problem in seeing Unicode fonts in Pagestream

Hi Tim,

Sorry for late reply as I was out of station last week.

When I installed Pagestream first I was unable to see indic fonts in
it. Then I installed fonts again and I installed font for Pagestream
also then it started showing fonts. But now I can see fonts properly.
But now there is problem with combination characters. Combination
characters are those who combine multiple characters. In that multiple
characters are not getting combined. If you want I can send the
expected results and results getting from pagestream.

Thanks
Neelesh

--- In PageStreamSupport%40yahoogroups.com">PageStreamSupportyahoogroups.com, Tim Doty <drakki...> wrote:
&gt;
> On Thursday 30 August 2007, neel_gurjar2007 wrote:
&gt; > Here are the answers:
> >
>; > 1. I am using Linux --> Fedora Core 4 & Debian 4.
>
> Okay -- for reference my main platform is Kubuntu 7.10
>;
> > 2. I am using Indic Unicode Truetype font --> Gargi, Aksharyogini.
>
> I'll try to locate those
&gt;
> > 3. I tired to import text file which is typed in Unicode font - Gargi.
&gt; > But I saw boxes only. I couldn't see the text.
&gt;
> How was the text file encoded? If it wasn't UTF-8 (there are
different ways to
> encode Unicode) that will cause problems.
>
> > 4. I have install that font. For this I followed following step:
&gt; >
>; > a. copied gargi.ttf to /usr/share/fonts/
&gt; > b. cd /usr/share/fonts
&gt; > c. mkfontdir
> > d. mkfontscale
> > e. fc-cache
> > 5. That font work in gedit or yudit.
&gt;
> Okay, so installed for the system. As I'm sure you are aware it will
only
> become available to applications that are started after you
completed the
> steps in 4.
>
> Are the Indic fonts showing in your font list in PageStream?
Meaning, when you
> start PageStream and create a new document you should have:
&gt;
> - a tool box
> - a tool bar
> - the document window
&gt; - the edit palette
> - plus any other palettes you open from the Windows menu
>;
> If you have the text tool selected the Edit palette shows the text
attributes
> of currently selected text. Towards the left end of the Edit palette
there
> are two buttons stacked vertically: P and C. P is for paragraph
attributes
> and C is for character attributes. If C is selected immediately to
the right
> of that button is the font selector.
>
> Are your Indic fonts listed there?
&gt;
> If you select the text and select an Indic font how does the text
display?
>;
> For your information when cutting and pasting to and from PageStream
and
> another application I have found that linux applications are
happiest pasting
> Unicode text copied from Firefox. So if, for example, I want to
copy/paste a
> text snippet from Open Office I will paste it into the location bar of
> Firefox and from there copy and paste it into PageStream. The
reverse works
> well, too. Clipboards are funny things and different applications
treat the
> copy and paste clipboard operations differently.
>
> Tim Doty
>;

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On Wednesday 05 September 2007, neel_gurjar2007 wrote:
&gt; Hi Tim,
>;
> Sorry for late reply as I was out of station last week.
&gt;
> When I installed Pagestream first I was unable to see indic fonts in
> it. Then I installed fonts again and I installed font for Pagestream
> also then it started showing fonts. But now I can see fonts properly.
> But now there is problem with combination characters. Combination
> characters are those who combine multiple characters. In that multiple
> characters are not getting combined. If you want I can send the
> expected results and results getting from pagestream.

As I'm not familiar with Indic fonts I doubt I can be of specific help here,
but if this is similar to, say, how Arabic letters combine then it isn't
supported with typing in PageStream.

My understanding of Unicode is that instead of providing precomposed
characters it provides the basic pieces for applications to compose them.
That is great because it allows fonts to be smaller and you don't have to
worry about the font creators forgetting to implement some composition -- but
it relies on the application to do the composition.

[Yes, there are precomposed characters in Unicode for some western languages.
These are there for historical reasons.]

If you have the "combined multiple characters" in some other application and
you cut and paste into PageStream what do you get? Have you tried cutting and
pasting from the FireFox location bar? Can you type such characters in other
applications?

I'm not suggesting that such would be acceptable for inputing the characters
into PageStream, but to narrow down the problem. Although many people (myself
included) do their text creation in PageStream it is really a page layout
tool where the expectation is that articles were created elsewhere (by
someone other than the page designer) and are imported.

If inputting text is the extent of the problem it may be possible to alleviate
it somewhat by use of a script. I've done something similar for Sumerian
(though that effort is incomplete and likely will be for some time due to the
size and complexity of cuneiform).

And if I'm off base and that isn't the problem then ignore what I said

Tim Doty

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