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Re: Default dpi
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Canada
2008-03-11 20:59:36

On 03/11/2008, Deron wrote:

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> Really, the only time the DPI of an image matters to PageStream is when
> importing it. If you don't use drag paste to set the size of the frame
> to place the image in, the frame for the picture is created for you
> based on the dpi and number of pixels in the image.

I have learned to keep in mind that it also matters to one's printer.

Lesson learned when I dragged 12 large photos (jpg) down enough in size so
that I could get them all on one Letter-size sheet. When I tried to print
the page, I waited a long time. Finally got a "not enough memory" message.

The PageStream document is 100,865,170 bytes. It grows a lot bigger on
conversion to PostScript.

Bart Mathias

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Re: Re: Default dpi
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United States
2008-03-11 21:41:38

Bart:

> I have learned to keep in mind that it also matters to one's printer.
>
>; Lesson learned when I dragged 12 large photos (jpg) down enough in size so
> that I could get them all on one Letter-size sheet.

This one I've heard about before. I'm curious to know more about it.

What's the equipment involved? The only PostScript printer I have is an
old HP B&W inkjet(!) that sits in a closet. I used it up to around 2000
and, in those days it was mostly with my Amiga and mostly many fewer
images. My experience "ripping" (if that's the right word) PDFs tells me
that dragging an image to a smaller size reduces the usable resolution
when you print, but that the full-size image is still in the PDF and,
presumably, it would be part of a PostScript file as well. So, it's
understandable that the PostScript file would grow in size even with
typical JPEGs or other compression schemes.

Where does "out of memory" come from, though? From the little I know
from experience, the file is probably processed within the printer
itself, so the message could be generated from communication between the
printer and the computer when the printer hits the wall. If, on the
other hand, one is using something like an inkjet with an external
PostScript engine (which was common for a while), then I'm guessing that
the memory limitation would be in the computer. However, on most PCs I
would expect it to be channeled to the computer's virtual memory and the
limitation would be hard disk space. On a Windows PC, you would
eventually get an enlarging-virtual-memory message instead of
an-out-of-memory message (probably), and the darn thing would print
sometime the next day.

As far as printing 12 or more images on a page, I've only down that with
photo catalogs, and then only once or twice. Cataloging programs
normally will take care of the whole job, providing suitable captions
and employing thumbnails for the pictures. But since you're going to
PostScript from PageStream, you're obviously not doing that. Are the
images originating from full-resolution files? If so, that seems a waste
of bandwidth. But creating separate versions for the documents is
likewise a waste of your human bandwidth if it can avoided.

Any insights anyone?

HB

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Re: Re: Default dpi
country flaguser name
United States
2008-03-13 12:01:11


On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:41 PM, Henry G Belot wrote:

> Where does "out of memory" come from, though?

Because he had 12 large images that represented more "size" than the
printer could handle. Of the top of my head I think my HPLJ2300D has
48MB RAM and my Brother HL-4070CDW has maxed out memory (I forget, I
think it is around 384MB).

I can easily run the HPLJ2300D out of memory when printing several
large images. If they are color and printing using color model (yes, I
know its a b&w printer, bear with me) then a 600dpi scan of a full
8.5x11" page is about 100MB. If I try to print twelve such scans
simply scaled (not actually resized) to a page then I'm trying to
print ~1.2GB to the printer. In a grey scale this is still ~400MB. The
printer compresses memory on the fly with a listed average of 50%
compression. If we take that at face value we come in at ~200MB just
to load the images and we still need ~16MB for that (1200dpi on a b&w
printer, 8.5x11 paper)

Say I want to print to my color printer. We are talking about 600MB
after compression in the printer and need ~12MB for a 600dpi full
color. This is too much for the printer and will result in an out of
memory error.

In point of fact before I expanded the memory in the color printer I
got an out of memory error from trying to print a single digital
photo. It would print from OSX, but not from the GIMP because the GIMP
rasterized it and sent it a 600dpi US Letter 24-bit image -- too much
for the piddly memory the printer ships with.

Tim Doty

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