Re: Font problems

On 03/19/2008, Don Ferguson wrote:

> Greetings "Bart Mathias&quot; < mathias%40hawaii.edu">mathiashawaii.edu>
&gt; On 19/03/2008 at 02:58 you wrote concerning
> [PageStreamSupport] Font problems
>
>; [...]
&gt;> I finally got a 6016B page page completed, leaving those bad fonts
&gt;> out; loading it tends to crash PgS4, but not if I load one of the
>> backups first (this makes no sense to me at all, but it has happened
>> four times this afternoon).
>
> The above sounds even stranger!! By the way, what is "a 6016B page"?

Sorry. I was trying to abbreviate "6016-byte page."; I was impressed by the
small file size, thinking that doing a similar thing with FinalWriter would
probably be two or three times as big.

> HOWEVER, I think I've got it! Well ..... sort of! Do:
>
> ++ Open PageStream and then a 'New' document.
>
&gt; ++ In the new doc, create a text frame. Place the text cursor in the
> text frame.

OK, made it this far. By the way, I didn't use a text frame for the
experiment that went bad, just typing directly on the page. I wonder if
that is significant?

Now back to the PageStream screen, as I go on, step by step (and if I crash,
YAM will probably keep this record of progress):

> ++ Use Ctrl-N or "Text -> font...&quot; to open the font list that is
> available to you and which is shown in the "Set Font" window.
>
> ++ Turn the "Show sample&quot; option 'on' (checkmark) if it is 'off'.
&gt;
> ++ Start at the top of your font list and, one-by-one, click on
> successive fonts. If the font is displayed in "Show sample&quot; field then
>; that font is okay. Continue.

(Thank you, YAM!)

> ++ As soon as you ask for a 'bad' font, bingo, you'll get the Grim
>; Reaper after the PageStream screen goes black.

Well, yes, quite the same results I was getting Tuesday, when I was trying
to see samples of fonts without setting up a text frame. I got as far as
Bitstream Vera Sans-Roman OK, then crashed on Bitstream Vera Sans
Mono-Bold. At this point, I cease and desist, knowing that I will just
repeat Tuesday's experience. No fun!

> [...]
&gt; File -> System Preferences -> Fonts
&gt;
> I have under "Installed Font Drawers&quot;:
>
> DH0_OS40Final:Fonts
> Fonts/Intellifonts
> Fonts/ProPage
> Fonts/SoftLogikFonts
> Fonts/StandardFonts
> Fonts/StudioFonts

Slightly(?) different here:

Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/Bitstream Vera
Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/DejaVu
Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/Gentium102
Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/MgOpen
Fonts/Intellifonts
> Fonts/SoftLogikFonts
> Fonts/StandardFonts
> Fonts/StudioFonts

But I don't think that matters, since we get pretty much the same results.
Except I wonder if I should install OS4:Fonts, or would that just get me
more things that crash?

Probably my not having that is why I can't understand the following line:

> My problem is in 'DH0_OS40Final:Fonts' I think where 'DH0_OS40Final:' is
just
> 'Sys:' ...

But I have exactly the same as you with all of this:

> [...]
&gt; 5.DH0_OS40Final:> list "fonts/dejavu sans condensed#?"
&gt; Directory "fonts" on Wednesday 19-Mar-08
> DejaVu Sans Condensed Bold Oblique.otag 463 ----rw-d 19-Dec-06
> 16:51:42 DejaVu Sans Condensed Bold Oblique.font 4 ----rw-d
> 27-Jan-07 00:56:29 DejaVu Sans Condensed Oblique.otag 459
> ----rw-d 19-Dec-06 16:51:42 DejaVu Sans Condensed Oblique.font
> 4 ----rw-d 27-Jan-07 00:56:29 DejaVu Sans Condensed Bold.otag
> 456 ----rw-d 19-Dec-06 16:51:42 DejaVu Sans Condensed Bold.font
> 4 ----rw-d 27-Jan-07 00:56:29 DejaVu Sans Condensed.otag
> 451 ----rw-d 19-Dec-06 16:51:42 DejaVu Sans Condensed.font
> 4 ----rw-d 27-Jan-07 00:56:29
>
>; [...], in its "Set Font" window. Instead,
> as shown above, there appears
>
> DejaVu Sans Condensed-f
> DejaVu Serif Condensed-tf (I did not list the 'Serif' files but
> they're there)
[...]

Oh, well. I guess I'll try reinstalling PageStream5...

Cheerio,
Bart

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Greetings "Bart Mathias&quot; < mathias%40hawaii.edu">mathiashawaii.edu>
On 20/03/2008 at 21:42 you wrote concerning
[PageStreamSupport] Re: Font problems

Hi Bart,

BM>> ..... By the way, what is "a 6016B page"?

BM&gt; Sorry. I was trying to abbreviate "6016-byte page."; I was impressed by the
BM&gt; small file size, thinking that doing a similar thing with FinalWriter would
BM> probably be two or three times as big.

I recall that in the days when I used both Final Writer and PageStream (3.? at
that time on an A1200), I was astonished that PageStream would store
essentially the same document -- 'same' from an observer's point of view -- in
dramatically fewer bytes. So I stopped using Final Writer and began using
PageStream for even a one-page simple letter.

BM>&gt; HOWEVER, I think I've got it! Well ..... sort of! Do:

Not really! But it is a quick way of finding out which fonts are okay and which
will cause problems.

BM>> ++ Open PageStream and then a 'New' document.
BM>>;
BM>&gt; ++ In the new doc, create a text frame. Place the text cursor in the
BM&gt;> text frame.

BM> OK, made it this far. By the way, I didn't use a text frame for the
BM&gt; experiment that went bad, just typing directly on the page. I wonder if
BM>; that is significant?

You don't need a text frame, you can just start typing after placing the text
cursor somewhere on the page. I just robotically open a text frame!

BM&gt; Now back to the PageStream screen, as I go on, step by step (and if I crash,
BM> YAM will probably keep this record of progress):

You're jiving me again! Why would dear old Yam do that? That's a Snoopy task.

BM>> ++ Use Ctrl-N or "Text -> font...&quot; to open the font list that is
BM>;> available to you and which is shown in the "Set Font" window.
BM>>
BM>&gt; ++ Turn the "Show sample&quot; option 'on' (checkmark) if it is 'off'.
BM>>
BM>&gt; ++ Start at the top of your font list and, one-by-one, click on
BM>;> successive fonts. If the font is displayed in "Show sample&quot; field then
BM&gt;> that font is okay. Continue.

BM> (Thank you, YAM!)

Apparently YAM cooperated!?!?!?!?

BM>&gt; ++ As soon as you ask for a 'bad' font, bingo, you'll get the Grim
BM&gt;> Reaper after the PageStream screen goes black.

BM> Well, yes, quite the same results I was getting Tuesday, when I was trying
BM> to see samples of fonts without setting up a text frame. I got as far as
BM>; Bitstream Vera Sans-Roman OK, then crashed on Bitstream Vera Sans
BM&gt; Mono-Bold.

Well ..... you are way ahead of me! No Bitstream nor Nimbus nor DejaVu fonts
show up here that I can use. They show up when you are using Pagestream4??

BM> At this point, I cease and desist, knowing that I will just
BM&gt; repeat Tuesday's experience. No fun!

NO FUN!

<<snip>>
BM>> File -> System Preferences -> Fonts
BM>>
BM>&gt; I have under "Installed Font Drawers&quot;:
BM&gt;>
BM>&gt; DH0_OS40Final:Fonts
BM>>; Fonts/Intellifonts
BM>> Fonts/ProPage
BM>;> Fonts/SoftLogikFonts
BM>&gt; Fonts/StandardFonts
BM>> Fonts/StudioFonts

BM> Slightly(?) different here:

BM> Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/Bitstream Vera
BM&gt; Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/DejaVu
BM> Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/Gentium102
BM> Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/MgOpen
BM> Fonts/Intellifonts
BM>> Fonts/SoftLogikFonts
BM>&gt; Fonts/StandardFonts
BM>> Fonts/StudioFonts

The above is the list of "Installed Font Drawers&quot; that appears when you are
using PageStream4?

At first I could not figure out where those PageStream5 font familes, listed
above, came from, but now I see. I did download the .lha file
'PageStreamFonts.lha' and, although there is corrupt data therein, Unarc
revealed the directories you list above; i.e., the "Apps:' ones. Each file
therein ends in the suffix '.ttf' which must surely indicates 'TrueType Font'.
So you can use those guys in PageStream5 but I'm guessing that they will only
confuse PageStream4.

In my case the "Bitstream Vera" and 'DejaVu' fonts are sitting in my Sys:Fonts/
directory along with mountains of other stuff. They came with update 'Final' or
'4', I think, and for each font there are two files: a '.font' file and a
'.otag' file. For example

Sys:Fonts/Bitstream Vera Sans Bold.font
Sys:Fonts/Bitstream Vera Sans Bold.otag

Maybe 4.1.5.6 cannot use such font files! Looked in the Pagestream4 manual to
see what it says about fonts but without an index I did not find anything. So I
put those two files (immediately above) into a directory

PageStream:Fonts/Bitstream/

and then added that drawer as one of the "Installed Font Drawers&quot; in the "Set
Font"; window. Did not work! PageStream4 did NOT come up with something like
&quot;Bitstream Vera Sans Bold" in its "Set Font" window, but those 'bad' fonts
&quot;DejaVu Sans Condensed-t" and "DejaVu Serif Condensed-tf" still appear and I
cannot chase them away even though the font drawer that they resided in
'Sys:Fonts' has been removed from the list of "Installed Font Drawers&quot;!?!?!?

Oh well, the fonts in
Fonts/Intellifonts
Fonts/SoftLogikFonts
Fonts/StandardFonts
Fonts/StudioFonts
constitute an adequate collection here. But in the PageStream5 Pro versions of
the future, will they be useable? Hmmmm!


BM&gt; But I don't think that matters, since we get pretty much the same results.
BM> Except I wonder if I should install OS4:Fonts, or would that just get me
BM>; more things that crash?

I suspect you mean 'Sys:Fonts' and if that was your intent, then I suspect it
will only add to your problems, certainly if you are thinking of using
PageStream4.

<<snip>;>
BM&gt; Oh, well. I guess I'll try reinstalling PageStream5...

Iceberg dead ahead! Beware!!

<<snip>;>

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)
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