Re: Font problems

Greetings Bart,

Original attempt to reply to a message from you was returned to me. So I'm
trying again.

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)
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Greetings "Bart Mathias&quot; < mathias%40hawaii.edu">mathiashawaii.edu>
On 22/03/2008 at 02:59 you wrote concerning
[PageStreamSupport] Re: Font problems

Hi Bart,

<<snip>>
BM>>; Apparently YAM cooperated!?!?!?!?

BM> Indeed! I left the YAM "Write message:&quot; window open as I went through your
BM&gt; instructions, which naturally crashed OS4 at some point. When I rebooted,
BM> YAM had, as is its kindly wont, preserved the file, and offered to put it
BM>; in Outgoing for me, where I could continue editing it. But you knew that,
BM> and apparently thought I was talking about something else (Snoopy doesn't
BM> save files, does he?)

OK, now I'm with you. Is that Yam guy nice or not? In my experience,
Snoopy just creates a loooooonnnnngg list of what the OS has been doing.

<<snip>>
BM>&gt;> Slightly(?) different here:
BM>>
BM>&gt;> Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/Bitstream Vera
BM&gt;>> Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/DejaVu
BM>>> Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/Gentium102
BM>>> Apps:PageStream5/Fonts/MgOpen
BM>>> Fonts/Intellifonts
BM>>&gt;> Fonts/SoftLogikFonts
BM>&gt;>> Fonts/StandardFonts
BM>>>> Fonts/StudioFonts
BM>>
BM>&gt; The above is the list of "Installed Font Drawers&quot; that appears when you
BM&gt;> are using PageStream4?

BM&gt; Yes. I had to copy it out by hand (I guess there is a program that will let
BM&gt; you copy just ANYthing with a mouse, but I don't have it installed) from
BM&gt; PageStream4 -> System Preferences -> ...

I don't know of a way of getting around the "hand copying&quot; aspect.

The more I learn about all these font families there more confused I'm becoming.
Regarding those App:PageStream5/... families: When you open the "Set Font"
window in PageStream4, do the names that appear look right; i.e., the names are
not mangled and end in someting like 't' or 'tf'?

<<snip>;>
BM&gt;> ..... So you can use those guys in PageStream5 but I'm
BM&gt;> guessing that they will only confuse PageStream4.

BM&gt; Apparently not.

Apparently not!

BM&gt; You have seen Michael Merkel's comment, and Russell
BM> Butler's. From what Michael says, it sounds like I should maybe add
BM&gt; fonts:_TrueType, and fonts:_GhostScript (but they are .afm and .pfb
BM&gt; things) here).

Russell Butler??? Is he Wurzel in disguise?

Yes, Michael's comments are always useful. As to 'Fonts:_TrueType' I'm almost
certain that until I included that family in the list "Installed Font Drawers&quot;
for PageStream5 I could not type any characters. Do they look okay in
PageStream5? I do not recall them being 'ugly'.

Yes, the files in 'Fonts:_GhostScript' are .afm and .pfm

But when I included 'Fonts:_TrueType' for PageStream4 just now, then although
they showed up in "Set Font" window, as soon as I attempted to use one of the
Bitstream guys, the GR took over. Didn't even bother to test one of the DejaVu
fonts.

As I mentioned in my reply to Wurzel, I can use now the TTF font families

Gentium, BitStream Vera, and DejaVu

in PageStream4, but who would want to? They are remarkably ugly!! As to
'MyOpen', as you noted, PageStream4 immediately blanks its screen and moves to
the GR.

BM> One thing that has me a bit uneasy: In fonts:_truetype I find, e.g.,

BM> DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf 472732 ----rw-d 19-Dec-06

BM&gt; in contrast with Apps:pagestream5/fonts/dejavu/'s

BM&gt; DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf 125208 ----rwed 30-Mar-06

BM> That's a considerable size difference!

Yes, I noticed that AFTER you noted it! Which font family are you using in
connection with PageStream5?

<;<snip&gt;>
BM>> ..... but
BM&gt;> those 'bad' fonts "DejaVu Sans Condensed-t" and "DejaVu Serif
BM>> Condensed-tf" still appear and I cannot chase them away even though the
BM&gt;> font drawer that they resided in 'Sys:Fonts' has been removed from the
BM&gt;> list of "Installed Font Drawers&quot;!?!?!?

BM> Sounds kind of spooky to me. BWDIK?

I finally got rid of those 'spooky' font names by REMOVEing each of the font
families under "Installed Font Drawers&quot; and then re-installing each family.

<<snip>>;
BM> My Fonts/StudioFonts are .afm/.pfb jobbies. But apparently movistar [sic]
BM> didn't crash me.

SIC eh? Well, if you look in the directory 'PageStream:Fonts/StudioFonts' you'll
see that 'movistar.afm' and 'movistar.pfb' are used whereas when this font is
referred to in "Set Font" then you will find 'MovieStar-Normal'.

BM&gt;>> But I don't think that matters, since we get pretty much the same
BM&gt;>> results. Except I wonder if I should install OS4:Fonts, or would that
BM&gt;>> just get me more things that crash?

I think Michael Merkel's reply applies here: Don't!

BM>>; I suspect you mean 'Sys:Fonts' and if that was your intent, then I
BM>> suspect it will only add to your problems, certainly if you are
BM&gt;> thinking of using PageStream4.

BM&gt; OS4:fonts = Sys:Fonts = fonts:

OK

BM> The next question is, if I do (try to) add that to Installed Font Drawers,
BM> should I remove the PgS5 versions?

Well, as noted elsewhere, I was able to install the Bitstream Vera, Gentium, and
DejaVu families and be able to use them without a problem, but NOT the MyOpen
family -- with respect to PageStream4. The only difference between our setups
appears to be that I use a different path to get to the Bitstream Vera, Gentium,
and DejaVu families.

Have you got some version of the 'ttf.library' file in 'Libs:'?

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)
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On 03/24/2008, Don Ferguson wrote:

> Greetings Bart,

Greetings to you, Don. I'm going to pretty much stick to the chase (but I
think I've mangled the expression I was looking for) in this response.
>
&gt; [...]

> The more I learn about all these font families there more confused I'm
> becoming. Regarding those App:PageStream5/... families: When you open
>; the "Set Font" window in PageStream4, do the names that appear look
>; right; i.e., the names are not mangled and end in someting like 't' or
> 'tf'?

I get "DejaVu Serif Condensed-tf" which is one of the ones I can't use. I
thought I had something that ended in "-f&quot; as well, but it's not there now.

>[...]
> Russell Butler??? Is he Wurzel in disguise?

That was my guess. But disguises sometimes fool me, so I could be wrong.

> Yes, Michael's comments are always useful. As to 'Fonts:_TrueType' I'm
> almost certain that until I included that family in the list "Installed
>; Font Drawers&quot; for PageStream5 I could not type any characters. Do they
>; look okay in PageStream5? I do not recall them being 'ugly'.

This will probably answer a later query as well. I haven't been able to
open PageStream5 without crashing for some time now, and I can't remember
how they might have looked before.

>[...]
>
>>; One thing that has me a bit uneasy: In fonts:_truetype I find, e.g.,
&gt;
>&gt; DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf 472732 ----rw-d 19-Dec-06
>
>> in contrast with Apps:pagestream5/fonts/dejavu/'s
>
>> DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf 125208 ----rwed 30-Mar-06
>
&gt;> That's a considerable size difference!
>
> Yes, I noticed that AFTER you noted it! Which font family are you using
&gt; in connection with PageStream5?

See above. :-( But on the grounds that DejaVu Sans Bold crashes
PageStream4 (I just tried it again, and will need to reboot before going on
with this), I'm going to try a temporary replacement of the fonts: version
with the PageStream5 version and see what happens.

Well, two interesting results! With the smaller file in fonts: (which has
to be where PageStream4 finds ttf fonts since there are none in its own
/fonts/ drawer), no crash.

They looked kind of ugly--rough edges--in the document I tried them in, both
at 12pt. and 30pt., but they printed absolutely smooth! (Not counting the
sharp sans serif corners.)

> <<snip>>
>>&gt; those 'bad' fonts "DejaVu Sans Condensed-t" and "DejaVu Serif
&gt;>> Condensed-tf" still appear and I cannot chase them away even though
&gt;>> the font drawer that they resided in 'Sys:Fonts' has been removed
>>>; from the list of "Installed Font Drawers&quot;!?!?!?
>
&gt;[...]
&gt; I finally got rid of those 'spooky' font names by REMOVEing each of the
> font families under "Installed Font Drawers&quot; and then re-installing
> each family.

Maybe I'll try that, if'n I can figure out where to reinstall from.

>[...]
>
&gt;> The next question is, if I do (try to) add that to Installed Font
>;> Drawers, should I remove the PgS5 versions?
>
&gt; Well, as noted elsewhere, I was able to install the Bitstream Vera,
&gt; Gentium, and DejaVu families and be able to use them without a problem,
> but NOT the MyOpen family -- with respect to PageStream4. The only
>; difference between our setups appears to be that I use a different path
>; to get to the Bitstream Vera, Gentium, and DejaVu families.
>
&gt; Have you got some version of the 'ttf.library' file in 'Libs:'?

To my utter amazement, no! I was sure I checked on this when the library
was mentioned earlier in the thread, but either I didn't check, or I
amnesiated what I found out.

I suppose I should get it. I wonder what it does?

Bart

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