Re: PGS 4.1.5.6 Amiga: automatic numbering

Greetings "Theo Zweers&quot; < tjzwrs%40xs4all.nl">tjzwrsxs4all.nl>
On 05/06/2008 at 06:43 you wrote concerning
Re: [PageStreamSupport] Re: PGS 4.1.5.6 Amiga: automatic numbering

Hi Theo,

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TZ>>; In following this thread, there is a point that had puzzled me. Well, it
TZ>;> did until Tim explained the device of placing the single page as the
TZ&gt;> MasterPage. See below!

TZ> ...snip...

TZ>;> I think David was the first one to note the "600 page" involvement, and,
TZ&gt;> in
TZ>;> following Theo's explanation it was not clear to me how to create such a
TZ>> 600
TZ&gt;> page document, each page of which was idenitical to the next, save for the
TZ&gt;> exception of a single text frame which would have been placed on the
TZ&gt;> controlling master page and which would contain the "page numbering&quot; item.
TZ>>

TZ&gt; Well, it was no 600 page document, but one (two: left and right) page
TZ> with a pagenumber (LM or RM which stands for Left and Right Masterpage)
TZ> on it.
TZ&gt; The trick was to increase the pagenumber leaving other items on that
TZ> page intact. Christoph asked how to automate a number increase, without
TZ> making a 600 page document by hand.
TZ> My idea was to use the masterpage on which I put everything which I
TZ> wanted to be printed, include the pagenumber.
TZ> Now if you tell PGS to print a range from 2001 to, let say, 2600, then
TZ> with every page PGS itself increases the pagenumber with one from 2001
TZ> to 2600.
TZ> (OK, Christoph told me that the range should be 2000 to 2600...)

Yes, I finally caught on! But it took a while .....

TZ&gt;> Tim's explanation finally straightened me out. Many thanks.

TZ>&gt; Then I wondered "How does one transfer a complicated page so that it
TZ>;> becomes a
TZ>> Master Page?"; To me amazement, the answer seems to be: Use "Object -> Move
TZ&gt;> to page...&quot; and then set

TZ>> Chapter = Default Master Page
TZ&gt;> Side = Right (or Left or Center)

TZ>&gt; in the "Move to Page" dialogue window.
TZ>&gt;

TZ&gt; Which is one way.

TZ> 1) In the status bar you can click on the pagenumber. You can insert a
TZ> number, but you can also select with the mini menu to go to the masterpage.
TZ> There you have the option to go to the left, right, center page. Now you
TZ> can insert anything you want, which you will see 'shining through' on
TZ> any 'normal' page, like pagenumber (LM, RM), an object, a chaptername.

Yes, I'm aware of the above, but what I did NOT want to have to do is to
";re-create&quot; an existing page on a master page (LM, Centre, or RM) by hand;
i.e., by re-creating the master page from scratch so that it matches an
existing page.

TZ> 2) Open the Document Palette in which it is showed at least: name of the
TZ> document and the masterpage. Doubleclick on masterpage and you are on
TZ> the.. masterpage.

Yes, but that does not copy anything to the existing master page. I probably did
not make it clear what I wanted to do. :-(

&lt;<snip>>

Cheers Don (Green Dragon)
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On Monday 09 June 2008, Don Ferguson wrote:
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>; Yes, I'm aware of the above, but what I did NOT want to have to do is to
> "re-create" an existing page on a master page (LM, Centre, or RM) by hand;
&gt; i.e., by re-creating the master page from scratch so that it matches an
> existing page.

I would use the 'p' keyboard shortcut to "move to page" after selecting all
objects on the page (I don't recommend trying this if you have also selected
an object on the paste board).

Things don't always move perfectly -- in particular if you have a text frame
with applied tabs (as opposed to tabs set through a style) and move it tab
sets may be lost. Further, if you are using a style defined in a chapter and
move text styled in such fashion to another chapter I don't expect the style
would work properly (though I've never done that, I practically always define
styles in the document root).

Tim

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> I would use the 'p' keyboard shortcut to "move to page" after selecting all
> objects on the page (I don't recommend trying this if you have also selected
> an object on the paste board).
>
> Things don't always move perfectly -- in particular if you have a text frame
> with applied tabs (as opposed to tabs set through a style) and move it tab
> sets may be lost.

I've never seen that! Tab settings are just an attribute like any other.

> Further, if you are using a style defined in a chapter and
> move text styled in such fashion to another chapter I don't expect the style
> would work properly (though I've never done that, I practically always define
> styles in the document root).
&gt;

No, that is the point of chapter level styles. If you move the text to a
different chapter, it will use the style definition that it finds
"nearest"; to the chapter. If a style by that name is not found in the
current chapter, it will look in the parent chapter and so on till it
gets to the document level. It won't look anywhere else. A style that is
created someplace besides the document root is really only useful if you
create a style by the same name at least in the document root level.

> Tim
>

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On Monday 09 June 2008, PageStream Support wrote:
&gt; > I would use the 'p' keyboard shortcut to "move to page" after selecting
> > all objects on the page (I don't recommend trying this if you have also
>; > selected an object on the paste board).
> >
>; > Things don't always move perfectly -- in particular if you have a text
>; > frame with applied tabs (as opposed to tabs set through a style) and move
>; > it tab sets may be lost.
&gt;
> I've never seen that! Tab settings are just an attribute like any other.

And I encountered it again just yesterday... I'm used to having to fix tabs.
They often don't survive export to editor either. As far as I can tell they
end up moved to the wrong side of the paragraph style tag.

> > Further, if you are using a style defined in a chapter and
> > move text styled in such fashion to another chapter I don't expect the
> > style would work properly (though I've never done that, I practically
> > always define styles in the document root).
&gt;
> No, that is the point of chapter level styles.

Right -- I was just mentioning because it *can* come up.

Also, when creating a new style via the style palette it is created in the
current chapter. A bit of annoyance as I always have the style palette open
and it would be quicker from there than going into the menus.

Tim Doty

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