Validate and Locales

Hi,
[This is an-only-validate-thread-starter, as I can't email
all of it's developers
One by one, then I decided to post it to .dev, although it's
a validate issue,
But would be nice to get comments from other developers,
especially ones who are
Maintaining packages with plug-ins]

We got some bug-reports which users ask us to add new chars
to
VALIDATE_ALPHA_LOWER and VALIDATE_ALPHA_UPPER[1][2], well as
it's a valid request
But the current structure of Validate is not very happy with
such requests.

I thought the best solution could be moving
VALIDATE_ALPHA_LOWER and UPPER from 
two global constants to two class attributes which could be
overwritten by locales.
But it's not the best ATM because:
I) We've some locales, which are not depended on main
Validate, so they'll never
Instantiate it.
II) ATM We've some chars from languages which doesn't have a
locale in Validate.

The other way could be writing a Unicode (or simpler a
UTF-8) plug-in for Validate
Which handles such stuff.

Ideas? Blames?

P.S: We're going to release the first stable of Validate,
soon after fixing this
Issue and filling the docs gap, as it's functioning well in
validating other stuff.

[1] http://pear.
php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=9156
[2] http://pear.
php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=7648

Cheers,
-- Amir Mohammad

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I can now restart development Validate BE.

I see  that I trim values before try to validate.

But I'm not sure that's a good idea.

If the value contain trainling space, developper can decide
if it's good
or not. an trim it self if needed.

no ?

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validate should not do magic like that imho. It validates
and does not 
modify the data, this can lead to hard to track bugs.

Arnaud.

Christophe Gesché wrote:
> I can now restart development Validate BE.
> 
> I see  that I trim values before try to validate.
> 
> But I'm not sure that's a good idea.
> 
> If the value contain trainling space, developper can
decide if it's good
> or not. an trim it self if needed.
> 
> no ?
> 
> -- Moosh -- claroline.net -- php.net === Php & Pear
& MySQL ===
> http://moosh.et.son.brol
.be/ (fr) 11-2006 Forum PHP http://www.afup.org/
> (fr) 02-2007 FOSDEM 07 http://www.fosdem.org/
(en)
> 

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Hi,

Well, as Arnaud has told already, that's not a good practice
for a Lib
that's supposed to do validating stuff, it's up to developer
to pass
the arguments trimmed or not.

-- Amir Mohammad

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:22:18 +0100
moosh.begmail.com (Christophe Gesché) wrote:

> I can now restart development Validate BE.
> 
> I see  that I trim values before try to validate.
> 
> But I'm not sure that's a good idea.
> 
> If the value contain trainling space, developper can
decide if it's good
> or not. an trim it self if needed.
> 
> no ?
> 
> -- Moosh -- claroline.net -- php.net === Php & Pear
& MySQL ===
> http://moosh.et.son.brol
.be/ (fr) 11-2006 Forum PHP http://www.afup.org/
> (fr) 02-2007 FOSDEM 07 http://www.fosdem.org/
(en)

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Hi,

Well, as Arnaud has told already, that's not a good practice
for a Lib
that's supposed to do validating stuff, it's up to developer
to pass
the arguments trimmed or not.

-- Amir Mohammad

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:22:18 +0100
moosh.begmail.com (Christophe Gesché) wrote:

> I can now restart development Validate BE.
> 
> I see  that I trim values before try to validate.
> 
> But I'm not sure that's a good idea.
> 
> If the value contain trainling space, developper can
decide if it's good
> or not. an trim it self if needed.
> 
> no ?
> 
> -- Moosh -- claroline.net -- php.net === Php & Pear
& MySQL ===
> http://moosh.et.son.brol
.be/ (fr) 11-2006 Forum PHP http://www.afup.org/
> (fr) 02-2007 FOSDEM 07 http://www.fosdem.org/
(en)

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Hi,

Well, as Arnaud has told already, that's not a good practice
for a Lib
that's supposed to do validating stuff, it's up to developer
to pass
the arguments trimmed or not.

-- Amir Mohammad

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:22:18 +0100
moosh.begmail.com (Christophe Gesché) wrote:

> I can now restart development Validate BE.
> 
> I see  that I trim values before try to validate.
> 
> But I'm not sure that's a good idea.
> 
> If the value contain trainling space, developper can
decide if it's good
> or not. an trim it self if needed.
> 
> no ?
> 
> -- Moosh -- claroline.net -- php.net === Php & Pear
& MySQL ===
> http://moosh.et.son.brol
.be/ (fr) 11-2006 Forum PHP http://www.afup.org/
> (fr) 02-2007 FOSDEM 07 http://www.fosdem.org/
(en)

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Hi,

Well, as Arnaud has told already, that's not a good practice
for a Lib
that's supposed to do validating stuff, it's up to developer
to pass
the arguments trimmed or not.

-- Amir Mohammad

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:22:18 +0100
moosh.begmail.com (Christophe Gesché) wrote:

> I can now restart development Validate BE.
> 
> I see  that I trim values before try to validate.
> 
> But I'm not sure that's a good idea.
> 
> If the value contain trainling space, developper can
decide if it's good
> or not. an trim it self if needed.
> 
> no ?
> 
> -- Moosh -- claroline.net -- php.net === Php & Pear
& MySQL ===
> http://moosh.et.son.brol
.be/ (fr) 11-2006 Forum PHP http://www.afup.org/
> (fr) 02-2007 FOSDEM 07 http://www.fosdem.org/
(en)

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Amir Mohammad Saied a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> Well, as Arnaud has told already, that's not a good
practice for a Lib
> that's supposed to do validating stuff, it's up to
developer to pass
> the arguments trimmed or not.
>   

Be care, my English was perhaps  erroneous.
 The method don't "change" value"

but validate as right a right value with trailing space (if
the trim
result is valid 

But I would remove it.

I see alos that  my phone validation is wrong. I need to
change it
before go to a beta or rc state
> -- Amir Mohammad
>
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006 06:22:18 +0100
> moosh.begmail.com (Christophe Gesché) wrote:
>
>   
>> I can now restart development Validate BE.
>>
>> I see  that I trim values before try to validate.
>>
>> But I'm not sure that's a good idea.
>>
>> If the value contain trainling space, developper
can decide if it's good
>> or not. an trim it self if needed.
>>
>> no ?
>>
>> -- Moosh -- claroline.net -- php.net === Php &
Pear & MySQL ===
>> http://moosh.et.son.brol
.be/ (fr) 11-2006 Forum PHP http://www.afup.org/
>> (fr) 02-2007 FOSDEM 07 http://www.fosdem.org/
(en)
>>     
>
>   


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