To the LiveUser Team

I went through LiveUser and got it up and going last night. 
I posted 
comments on the FAQ page of the wiki that outline the steps
I had to go 
through to get example4 and the GVN samples working
together.  I think 
that this series of instructions is what everyone who
complains about 
LiveUser wants - before digging through the theoretical or
even 
technical details of how it all works, they want to have
something that 
they can poke around in and see what it would do for them if
they get it 
all set up.

No that I can see it in action, it does look like a very
well-engineered 
system.  But it took me easily six or seven hours, spread
across the 
entire day, to figure out all of those steps.  And I'm
pretty sharp, I 
think, and I was already somewhat familiar with PEAR and
MySQL.

If you can make it easier for newbies to find that series of
steps, and 
maybe cut some of them out (like dependencies on other PEAR
packages, as 
someone on the wiki suggested) you'll get more people buying
in and 
using LiveUser and more people interested in assisting with
the development.

Cheers,

Tim

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Hi Tim,

Duly noted. Setting up a liveuser still is too difficult.
Any special 
suggestion ?

Arnaud.

Tim Denby wrote:
> I went through LiveUser and got it up and going last
night.  I posted 
> comments on the FAQ page of the wiki that outline the
steps I had to go 
> through to get example4 and the GVN samples working
together.  I think 
> that this series of instructions is what everyone who
complains about 
> LiveUser wants - before digging through the theoretical
or even 
> technical details of how it all works, they want to
have something that 
> they can poke around in and see what it would do for
them if they get it 
> all set up.
> 
> No that I can see it in action, it does look like a
very well-engineered 
> system.  But it took me easily six or seven hours,
spread across the 
> entire day, to figure out all of those steps.  And I'm
pretty sharp, I 
> think, and I was already somewhat familiar with PEAR
and MySQL.
> 
> If you can make it easier for newbies to find that
series of steps, and 
> maybe cut some of them out (like dependencies on other
PEAR packages, as 
> someone on the wiki suggested) you'll get more people
buying in and 
> using LiveUser and more people interested in assisting
with the 
> development.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tim
> 

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Arnaud Limbourg wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Duly noted. Setting up a liveuser still is too
difficult. Any special 
> suggestion ?
> 
> Arnaud.

I think that the dependencies on other packages in the
example code were 
probably the biggest obstructions because they resulted in
silent or 
misleading errors, which were difficult to debug.

But, if you are interested in improving the adoption rate of
LiveUser, 
the most essential overall approach would be to go through
the process 
of installing it on a fresh server or hosting account
yourselves, and 
perhaps make this an element of the testing process.

Let me say again that I am finding LiveUser to be very
well-designed and 
well-engineered, now that I've got it running.

Tim

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Tim Denby wrote:
> Arnaud Limbourg wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Duly noted. Setting up a liveuser still is too
difficult. Any special 
>> suggestion ?
>>
>> Arnaud.
> 
> I think that the dependencies on other packages in the
example code were 
> probably the biggest obstructions because they resulted
in silent or 
> misleading errors, which were difficult to debug.
> 
> But, if you are interested in improving the adoption
rate of LiveUser, 
> the most essential overall approach would be to go
through the process 
> of installing it on a fresh server or hosting account
yourselves, and 
> perhaps make this an element of the testing process.

Out of curiosity, are you using liveuser under PHP4 or 5 ?

> Let me say again that I am finding LiveUser to be very
well-designed and 
> well-engineered, now that I've got it running.

Arnaud.

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Arnaud Limbourg wrote:
> 
> Out of curiosity, are you using liveuser under PHP4 or
5 ?
> 

I've got PHP version 5.12, a fresh install of Ubuntu Server.

Tim

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Arnaud Limbourg wrote:
> 
> Out of curiosity, are you using liveuser under PHP4 or
5 ?
> 

I've got PHP version 5.12, a fresh install of Ubuntu Server.

Tim

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