Re: Taught or self taught

--- Roger Burton West <rogerfiredrake.org> escreveu:
> On Mon, May 23, 2005 at 05:22:05PM +0100, Jonathan
Peterson wrote:
> 
> >I find this is a real problem. Combined with the
general threshold 
> >lowering of higher education in the UK, we are
getting people who do three 
> >years of Java at uni and come out expecting a job
in computers, without 
> >any real desire to do more than earn money.
> 
> Anyone would think it might be useful to have a
non-degree qualification
> for people who just wanted to be taught stuff and go
out and get jobs
> with it.

  Hi Roger, Hi all.
  Just as a matter of comparision, at Brazil (my country) we
have exactly the same problem: lots
of people thinking they'll have a CS grad on their CVs and
would program computers for a living.
This makes new jobs rare and difficult to get, as managers
don't care if you're in for money or
passion (very different from what I've read here about
managers that won't contract people that
don't show passionated and enthusiastic -- is that a thumb
rule at UK or just the exception?).

  We already have a non-specific degree for people that just
want an "I'm not stupid" certificate.
But those courses are almost empty as people don't think
they can survive doing what they like. As
a (evil) result, we have lots and lots of CS (and many other
areas) graduated professionals just
wanting to do whatever they do for a living.

  This makes our market (excessivelly) competitive, and
brainless professionals willing to do
whatever the market says "this is the new wave!".
I don't see any differences in having or not a
non-degree qualification for people who just wanted to be
taught stuff and go out and get jobs
with it.

--
Luis Campos de Carvalho
Member of "São Paulo Perl Mongers",
Unix SysAdmin & OCP/DBA Oracle
http://br.ge
ocities.com/monsieur_champs/

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