plone blog tool?

Hi all,

I am looking for a blog products in Plone to use for a
production
website, it aims to be "the blog of the
organisation". After some tests,
I am really hesitating between quills (which is the only one
announced
stable, and has nice portlet templates) and Simpleblog seems
more
integrated in the plone admin interface). Any advice from
the community?
What are the future of those products?

Regards,

Guillaume

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Guillaume Lederer wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am looking for a blog products in Plone to use for a
production
> website, it aims to be "the blog of the
organisation". After some tests,
> I am really hesitating between quills (which is the
only one announced
> stable, and has nice portlet templates) and Simpleblog
seems more
> integrated in the plone admin interface). Any advice
from the community?
> What are the future of those products?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Guillaume

SimpleBlog is a simple, no-frills blog that will probably
give you less 
maintenance / migration headaches. We have used it for a
while and its 
basic but does the job well.

You could alternatively use Quills, CoreBlog or EasyBlog all
of which 
are more featureful, but complex, which is fine as long as
there's 
enough resource there to maintain them.

One problem with blogging in Plone is it is fractured, with
the result 
that none of these products get as much maintenance as they
should have.

You might also browse / ask this question on the plone
blogging list.

HTH
Nick


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Guillaume Lederer <glederercirb.irisnet.be>
wrote:

> I am looking for a blog products in Plone to use for a
production
> website, it aims to be "the blog of the
organisation". After some tests,
> I am really hesitating between quills (which is the
only one announced
> stable, and has nice portlet templates) and Simpleblog
seems more
> integrated in the plone admin interface). Any advice
from the community?
> What are the future of those products?

In short: Use Quills.

As Tim (the author) is a valuable, responsive member of the
community
for a long time and in addition Quills is part of GSoC
(http://tinyurl.com/2ez5kh). 

Of course, just my two cents.

Regards
Kai

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Kai Diefenbach wrote:

> 
> As Tim (the author) is a valuable, responsive member of
the community
> for a long time and in addition Quills is part of GSoC
> (http://tinyurl.com/2ez5kh). 
> 
> Of course, just my two cents.
> 
> Regards
> Kai

I'm sure that is true. However, if you look at the last
posting to the 
blogging newsgroup, Tim, the author, says

"Development has been slow/stationary for a few months
as I (and
presumably others) have not had any time/finances to
dedicate to it "

Its all very well having ideals but Quills needs proper
funding.

That is why I stick with SimpleBlog because it may survive
the 
inevitable neglect from lack of time/funds better, as it is
simple.

IMHO all the blogging solutions for Plone suck in their own
way (as well 
as have good points too).

Google Soc - great but maybe its better to "count your
chickens once 
they've hatched" .  

So I say, evaluate each option carefully.

Nick

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Thanks,

I don't need lots of feature, I want to keep the tool very
easy for
end-users. And I will certainly choose for the easiest
maintenance
choice. Is there actually a reason why Simpleblog is not
stable yet?

Found the "plone blogging list", thanks again.

Guillaume
 
Nick Davis wrote:
> Guillaume Lederer wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am looking for a blog products in Plone to use
for a production
>> website, it aims to be "the blog of the
organisation". After some tests,
>> I am really hesitating between quills (which is the
only one announced
>> stable, and has nice portlet templates) and
Simpleblog seems more
>> integrated in the plone admin interface). Any
advice from the community?
>> What are the future of those products?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Guillaume
>>     
>
> SimpleBlog is a simple, no-frills blog that will
probably give you less 
> maintenance / migration headaches. We have used it for
a while and its 
> basic but does the job well.
>
> You could alternatively use Quills, CoreBlog or
EasyBlog all of which 
> are more featureful, but complex, which is fine as long
as there's 
> enough resource there to maintain them.
>
> One problem with blogging in Plone is it is fractured,
with the result 
> that none of these products get as much maintenance as
they should have.
>
> You might also browse / ask this question on the plone
blogging list.
>
> HTH
> Nick
>
>
>   


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Guillaume Lederer wrote:
> Thanks,
> 
> I don't need lots of feature, I want to keep the tool
very easy for
> end-users. And I will certainly choose for the easiest
maintenance
> choice. Is there actually a reason why Simpleblog is
not stable yet?
>

The author of SimpleBlog, Danny, is very busy and seems to
devote most 
of his Plone time to the core now, which is arguably more
valuable to 
everyone. 

1.2.1 has been around ages and works pretty well. Thats what
we use.

A new release compatible with Plnoe 3.0 will be needed
eventually. I 
might put that up myself. The 2.0beta has a bug, I reccomend
use 1.2 1 
for now.

However, please also do evaluate other blogging tools too.

Other people will have different opinions / experiences and
may disagree 
with me. 



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Nick Davis wrote:

> 1.2.1 has been around ages and works pretty well. Thats
what we use.
>
>   
Is this working installation also using plone 2.5.2?

After some tests, it sounds that simpleblog1.2.1 "as
is" does not work
with plone 2.5.2.





> A new release compatible with Plnoe 3.0 will be needed
eventually. I 
> might put that up myself. The 2.0beta has a bug, I
reccomend use 1.2 1 
> for now.
>
> However, please also do evaluate other blogging tools
too.
>
> Other people will have different opinions / experiences
and may disagree 
> with me. 
>
>
>
>   


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Nick Davis, on 2007-04-17:
> One problem with blogging in Plone is it is fractured,
with the result 
> that none of these products get as much maintenance as
they should have.

Since yesterday regebro is working on a branch that adds a
configurable list of portal_types to be handled as entries.

See Quills/branches/regebro-configurable_entry_types/

The ideal would be to use zope 3 technologies so you can
just use a
normal ATFolder as a weblog and a normal ATDocument or
ATFile or
whatever you want as an weblog entry.

So you would get a general blogging solution.  Quills and
other
weblog products could then be just a thin wrapper that
glues
everything together nicely.

As I understood it, Tim Hicks has indicated that he would
want this
eventually.  That is long term strategy though.

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Guillaume,

I have grown frustrated with the state of Plone's blog tools
too.   I  
have read negative comments on the complexity of the code
under  
several of the existing plone blog products. I also see that
several  
technologies are lining up that may radically change the
landscape  
after the Plone 3.0 release. For example, it looks like
several of  
the Google Summary of Code projects may help here:

http://code.google.com/soc/plone/appinfo.htm
l?csaid=D00ED280A00C3215
http://code.google.com/soc/plone/appinfo.htm
l?csaid=A1CADB885023A362

After discussing this on #plone IRC (which included feedback
from a  
couple Plone's rockstars), I decided not to go with any of
the  
existing tools and instead build my own out of standard
Plone parts  
which hopefully will be more future proof. Or at least, I
will  
understand what I have implemented and know how to migrate
it.

In the past two weeks, I have worked on three blogs using
this  
method. I am still in refining the process. Here is an
overview of  
what I am currently doing:

In portal_types, copy  "News Item" and call it
"Blog Item"
	( you could reasonable choose to make a variation of the
standard  
"Page" type instead of the "News Item")

In portal_types, copy "Folder" and call it
"Blog Folder", allow the  
blog folder to only contain "Blog Folders",
"Smart Folders", "Blog  
Items" and "Images"

Create a "Blog Folder" someplace in your site.

In the "Blog Folder" create a "Smart
Folder" with the following  
restrictions:
	* only "Blog Items" type
	* only items in the "Blog Folder"
	* only items less than two weeks old
Remember that "Smart Folders" give you the RSS
feed. 	

Make a Sub Smart Folder to display items older than two
weeks

Create a customized version of the summary_view to included
the body  
text, and set this view on the smart folder

Make the smart folder the default view of the "Blog
Folder"

Make additional "Blog Folders" within the main
blog folder to  
organize your blog for example:
	"top blog folder"
		"2007"
			"01"
			"02"
			"03"
			etc
or
	"top blog folder"
		"programming"
			"python"
			"javascript"
			"perl"
		"os"
			"linux"
			"mac os x"
			"windows"
		etc
or
	"top blog folder"
		"Guillaume Lederer"
		"Lee Joramo"
		etc

That is the basic path that I am taking. After I refine this
a bit,  
and I decide that this was the correct way to go, I may post
a How-To  
in plone's documentation.

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On Apr 17, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Guillaume Lederer wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am looking for a blog products in Plone to use for a
production
> website, it aims to be "the blog of the
organisation". After some  
> tests,
> I am really hesitating between quills (which is the
only one announced
> stable, and has nice portlet templates) and Simpleblog
seems more
> integrated in the plone admin interface). Any advice
from the  
> community?
> What are the future of those products?
>
> Regards,
>
> Guillaume


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> After discussing this on #plone IRC (which included
feedback from a  
> couple Plone's rockstars), I decided not to go with any
of the  
> existing tools and instead build my own out of standard
Plone parts  
> which hopefully will be more future proof.

That is what I decided also when implementing a blog for my
own Plone
site.

First of all, of all the Plone blog products I tried only
sDotNews
seemed with cursory examination and effort to be actively
maintained
and work properly with Plone 2.52. But when I was using
sDotNews I
found that it was just as easy to roll my own blog using
standard
Plone parts.

That may be one reason why there are no killer Plone blog
applications. Plone provides so much functionality that it
is easier
to write your own blog just the way you want it instead of
learning
someone else's system.

> In portal_types, copy  "News Item" and call
it "Blog Item"
>         ( you could reasonable choose to make a
variation of the standard  
> "Page" type instead of the "News
Item")
>

Almost identical to my approach. A News folder with comments
turned on
is a blog. There is not much more you have to do.




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