What Am I Missing?

Hello,

I am running a Palm TX and a Windows XP Pro desktop.

I have successfully downloaded and viewed books from
Gutenberg in the 
Plucker format.

When I try to convert a local text file to Plucker format,
the Palm does not 
see it.

In Windows Explorer I select the file we will call
"mybook.txt" which I have 
converted using Word from "mybook.doc". I right
click on the file and select 
the "Convert to Plucker" option. A window that
looks like a series of DOS 
commands pops up and I get a file named
"mybook.txt.pdb". I then take the 
new file and drag it into the quick install window for the
expansion card. I 
then do a hot sync. The hot sync manager shows the file
being transferred. 
The Plucker reader does not see the file. It sees the other
books, but not 
this one.

What am I missing?

Thanks!

Bob 

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On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 18:55 -0500, Bob Cherny wrote:
> The Plucker reader does not see the file. It sees the
other books, but
> not this one.

> What am I missing?

Are you putting it into the right directory on the card? One
of the
directories Plucker expects to see documents within? Those
currently
are: 

    /Palm/Programs/Plucker
    /Palm/Ebooks 
    /Palm/Launcher


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David,

Thank you for your quick response.

The files are landing in the launcher subdirectory.

Upon further experimentation I have discovered that files I
downloaded from 
Gutenberg as text files (as opposed to rtf or doc files)
convert properly 
and work as they should.

The files that are not working properly are those converted
from rtf or doc 
files. Therefore it would seem that there is something wrong
in one of the 
settings I am using to make the conversion. What settings
should I use when 
I save the file to txt to make them compatible?

Thanks!

Bob
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: What Am I Missing?


> On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 18:55 -0500, Bob Cherny wrote:
>> The Plucker reader does not see the file. It sees
the other books, but
>> not this one.
>
>> What am I missing?
>
> Are you putting it into the right directory on the
card? One of the
> directories Plucker expects to see documents within?
Those currently
> are:
>
>    /Palm/Programs/Plucker
>    /Palm/Ebooks
>    /Palm/Launcher
>
>
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On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 21:49 -0500, Bob Cherny wrote:
> What settings should I use when I save the file to txt
to make them
> compatible?

This tool might help: 

http://
www.fourmilab.ch/webtools/demoroniser/


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On Feb 8, 2008 9:49 PM, Bob Cherny <bbchernyembarqmail.com> wrote:

> The files are landing in the launcher subdirectory.

I use /Palm/Programs/Plucker, and drop the files there with
a USB card
reader.  I *don't* like the habit of everything winding up
be default
in /Palm/Launcher.  (And I have 3,210 Plucker files on my
device, so I
damn well want them in their own directory.)

If you don't have a card reader, look at PInstall from
Envicon.de.
It's a freeware replacement for the Palm Install Tool and
Quick
Install programs.  It doesn't use Hotsync (and it shuts down
Hotsync
Manager if it's running and restarts it when it's done.) 
And it
doesn't care about Hotsync ID.  It simply sends selected
files out the
selected port to the connected device.  I can install to RAM
or to a
specified directory on a card.

http:/
/www.envicon.de/e/pinstall/pinstall.html

> Upon further experimentation I have discovered that
files I downloaded from
> Gutenberg as text files (as opposed to rtf or doc
files) convert properly
> and work as they should.

PG doesn't offer RTF or doc files, so I'm not sure how you
are getting
those.  I grabbed the zipped HTML, which converts readily.

> The files that are not working properly are those
converted from rtf or doc
> files. Therefore it would seem that there is something
wrong in one of the
> settings I am using to make the conversion. What
settings should I use when
> I save the file to txt to make them compatible?

Since you run Windows, take a look at Rafael Setzer's PDA
Converter:
http://www.jakewalk.de/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=MySoftw
are.PdaConverter

PDA Converter is a GUI shell for the Plucker parser that
does the
conversion.  IT provides a friendly way to specify the
desired
options, then calls the Plucker parser as a background task
to convert
the file(s).

> Thanks!
> Bob
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Dennis and David,

The files I am trying  to convert come from Baen Books free
library.

They are available for download in several format. I have
previously 
downloaded them in rtf and doc format for the laptop and now
want to convert 
them to the Plucker for the Palm TX. I do have a card reader
and can copy 
the files directly to the expansion card.

Baen offers many of its books in the "Palm" prc
format. I downloaded one to 
try it. The Palm software happily treated it like it was
supposed to, but 
when we read it on the Palm, it included html coding on
every page.

Since the Gutenberg books downloaded in Palm format and the
Gutenberg books 
converted with the Plucker software to Plucker format work
properly and the 
Baen books don't, it would seem to me that the issue is in
the conversion 
and not the viewer and transfer software.

Since my original post, I have tried having Word save the
files as MS DOS 
and Unicode text files. Neither of these options seemed to
work.

I do not have Perl, so the demoronizer program is not an
option.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dmccunney" <dennis.mccunneygmail.com>
To: "General Plucker discussion"
<plucker-listplkr.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: What Am I Missing?


> On Feb 8, 2008 9:49 PM, Bob Cherny <bbchernyembarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The files are landing in the launcher
subdirectory.
>
> I use /Palm/Programs/Plucker, and drop the files there
with a USB card
> reader.  I *don't* like the habit of everything winding
up be default
> in /Palm/Launcher.  (And I have 3,210 Plucker files on
my device, so I
> damn well want them in their own directory.)
>
> If you don't have a card reader, look at PInstall from
Envicon.de.
> It's a freeware replacement for the Palm Install Tool
and Quick
> Install programs.  It doesn't use Hotsync (and it shuts
down Hotsync
> Manager if it's running and restarts it when it's
done.)  And it
> doesn't care about Hotsync ID.  It simply sends
selected files out the
> selected port to the connected device.  I can install
to RAM or to a
> specified directory on a card.
>
> http:/
/www.envicon.de/e/pinstall/pinstall.html
>
>> Upon further experimentation I have discovered that
files I downloaded 
>> from
>> Gutenberg as text files (as opposed to rtf or doc
files) convert properly
>> and work as they should.
>
> PG doesn't offer RTF or doc files, so I'm not sure how
you are getting
> those.  I grabbed the zipped HTML, which converts
readily.
>
>> The files that are not working properly are those
converted from rtf or 
>> doc
>> files. Therefore it would seem that there is
something wrong in one of 
>> the
>> settings I am using to make the conversion. What
settings should I use 
>> when
>> I save the file to txt to make them compatible?
>
> Since you run Windows, take a look at Rafael Setzer's
PDA Converter:
> http://www.jakewalk.de/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=MySoftw
are.PdaConverter
>
> PDA Converter is a GUI shell for the Plucker parser
that does the
> conversion.  IT provides a friendly way to specify the
desired
> options, then calls the Plucker parser as a background
task to convert
> the file(s).
>
>> Thanks!
>> Bob
> ______
> Dennis
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For the Baen books, I download the html files.  I then tell
the Plucker 
desktop application where the files live.  It then plucks
the files as if 
they are a website.

Plucker settings

Starting Page
Click local file and enter the filename
file://C:databooksdestiny671578723.htm

Limits tab
         Set Maximum Depth to 30

Hope this helps.

--Stephen

At 10:29 AM 2/9/2008 -0500, you wrote:
>Dennis and David,
>
>The files I am trying  to convert come from Baen Books
free library.
>
>They are available for download in several format. I
have previously
>downloaded them in rtf and doc format for the laptop and
now want to convert
>them to the Plucker for the Palm TX. I do have a card
reader and can copy
>the files directly to the expansion card.
>
>Baen offers many of its books in the "Palm"
prc format. I downloaded one to
>try it. The Palm software happily treated it like it was
supposed to, but
>when we read it on the Palm, it included html coding on
every page.
>
>Since the Gutenberg books downloaded in Palm format and
the Gutenberg books
>converted with the Plucker software to Plucker format
work properly and the
>Baen books don't, it would seem to me that the issue is
in the conversion
>and not the viewer and transfer software.
>
>Since my original post, I have tried having Word save
the files as MS DOS
>and Unicode text files. Neither of these options seemed
to work.
>
>I do not have Perl, so the demoronizer program is not an
option.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Bob
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "dmccunney" <dennis.mccunneygmail.com>
>To: "General Plucker discussion"
<plucker-listplkr.org>
>Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:51 AM
>Subject: Re: What Am I Missing?
>
>
> > On Feb 8, 2008 9:49 PM, Bob Cherny
<bbchernyembarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The files are landing in the launcher
subdirectory.
> >
> > I use /Palm/Programs/Plucker, and drop the files
there with a USB card
> > reader.  I *don't* like the habit of everything
winding up be default
> > in /Palm/Launcher.  (And I have 3,210 Plucker
files on my device, so I
> > damn well want them in their own directory.)
> >
> > If you don't have a card reader, look at PInstall
from Envicon.de.
> > It's a freeware replacement for the Palm Install
Tool and Quick
> > Install programs.  It doesn't use Hotsync (and it
shuts down Hotsync
> > Manager if it's running and restarts it when it's
done.)  And it
> > doesn't care about Hotsync ID.  It simply sends
selected files out the
> > selected port to the connected device.  I can
install to RAM or to a
> > specified directory on a card.
> >
> > http:/
/www.envicon.de/e/pinstall/pinstall.html
> >
> >> Upon further experimentation I have discovered
that files I downloaded
> >> from
> >> Gutenberg as text files (as opposed to rtf or
doc files) convert properly
> >> and work as they should.
> >
> > PG doesn't offer RTF or doc files, so I'm not sure
how you are getting
> > those.  I grabbed the zipped HTML, which converts
readily.
> >
> >> The files that are not working properly are
those converted from rtf or
> >> doc
> >> files. Therefore it would seem that there is
something wrong in one of
> >> the
> >> settings I am using to make the conversion.
What settings should I use
> >> when
> >> I save the file to txt to make them
compatible?
> >
> > Since you run Windows, take a look at Rafael
Setzer's PDA Converter:
> > http://www.jakewalk.de/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=MySoftw
are.PdaConverter
> >
> > PDA Converter is a GUI shell for the Plucker
parser that does the
> > conversion.  IT provides a friendly way to specify
the desired
> > options, then calls the Plucker parser as a
background task to convert
> > the file(s).
> >
> >> Thanks!
> >> Bob
> > ______
> > Dennis
> > _______________________________________________
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On Feb 9, 2008 10:29 AM, Bob Cherny <bbchernyembarqmail.com> wrote:
> Dennis and David,
>
> The files I am trying  to convert come from Baen Books
free library.

I have the *complete* Baen Free Library in Plucker format. 
(The stuff
on the web site, and the stuff issued on bound in CDs in
various
hardcovers.  ISO images and Zip files of the CDs may be
found at
http://baencd.the
fifthimperium.com/ )

> They are available for download in several format. I
have previously
> downloaded them in rtf and doc format for the laptop
and now want to convert
> them to the Plucker for the Palm TX. I do have a card
reader and can copy
> the files directly to the expansion card.

Grab the HTML, and convert directly.  Don't start with Doc
or RTF.
Download the "HTML format Zip" selection.  Unzip
the archive to a
directory.  I've had best luck pointing Plucker at the
<whatever>_toc.html file as the starting point.

I find PDA Converter, mentioned in my previous post, a
tremendous ease
of the process.  I use high compression, full color, and
full size
images linked to a thumbnail.  I also change the file name
and Plucker
display name to something meaningful.  My naming convention
is
Author's initials, series number, title, so the Eric
Flint/David Drake
"Belisarius" series has titles like

EF-DD B1 An Oblique Approach
EF-DD B2 In the Heart of Darkness
<etc>

which lets me sort books by author, then by order in series
in
Plucker's Library list.

> Baen offers many of its books in the "Palm"
prc format. I downloaded one to
> try it. The Palm software happily treated it like it
was supposed to, but
> when we read it on the Palm, it included html coding on
every page.

The PRC format is a MobiPocket book.  Mobi essentially uses
an
encapsulated subset of HTML as the markup language.  The
Mobi software
is freeware these days, but the Palm OS viewer does have a
quirk or
two.  Go here if interested:
http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/defau
lt.asp?Language=EN

> Since the Gutenberg books downloaded in Palm format and
the Gutenberg books
> converted with the Plucker software to Plucker format
work properly and the
> Baen books don't, it would seem to me that the issue is
in the conversion
> and not the viewer and transfer software.
>
> Since my original post, I have tried having Word save
the files as MS DOS
> and Unicode text files. Neither of these options seemed
to work.
>
> I do not have Perl, so the demoronizer program is not
an option.

Perl is available in a free, open source version form
ActiveState, at

http://preview.tinyu
rl.com/v6epo

but you don't need it for what you are doing.

> Any ideas?

See above.  Plucker is an offline HTML viewer for Palm OS. 
Start with
HTML content.

> Thanks!
> Bob
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