Re: Jive's new stuff

	Hi everyone,

	I'm the author of the draft spec linked to from the blog
entry, and  
the current maintainer of Adium's webkit message view code,
so feel  
free to fire any questions about it my way. I'm also looking
for  
feedback on the draft spec, because I'd really rather not
discover  
some horrible issue with it *after* investing time
implementing it in  
Spark and Adium 
	The basic assumption I'm making is that whatever renderer
is being  
used is a) capable of fairly up to date javascript and DOM 

manipulation (webkit/gecko level, or close to it), and b)
has a  
bridge to whatever the client is being written in. In
Adium's case  
that's WebKit and the WebKit JS<->ObjC bridge, in
SparkWeb's case  
it's JS<->JS, and in Spark's case it gets a bit
uglier, but there are  
some gecko embedding APIs for java that can be found. I
haven't  
talked to the Kopete folks yet, but they didn't have much
trouble  
implementing the old way of doing themes on top of KHTML, so
I don't  
expect it to be a problem.
	The advantage of pushing more of the message view stuff
into  
javascript than before (Adium does most of it in
Objective-C, then  
hands a big chunk of HTML to webkit) is that the Template
files  
should be able to be shared between clients implementing the
API,  
which takes less effort than rewriting it each time, and
promotes  
compatibility.

																	Davinessto

	oh, and I definitely fall in the anti-IE camp. Most
existing styles  
will simply not work, same goes for the current Template
file.
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On 06/02/07, Davinessto <catfish.mangmail.com> wrote:
> Most existing styles
> will simply not work, same goes for the current
Template file.

Which looks obvious to me, specially knowing what IE does
with some
pages. In fact I thought all this IE thing was a joke...


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On Feb 6, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Davinessto
catfish.man-at-gmail.com |psi/ 
personal| wrote:

> 	Hi everyone,
>
> 	I'm the author of the draft spec linked to from the
blog entry, and
> the current maintainer of Adium's webkit message view
code, so feel
> free to fire any questions about it my way. I'm also
looking for
> feedback on the draft spec, because I'd really rather
not discover
> some horrible issue with it *after* investing time
implementing it in
> Spark and Adium 
> ...

Hi David,

Just out of curiosity, how hard do you (or can you) try to
sanitize  
incoming text to make sure that the Javascript engine and/or
HTML  
renderer can't be exploited to do "bad things"?
Was that a  
consideration? Is the chat stream sufficiently isolated (or
scrubbed)  
so that it's not an issue?

I'd hate to see IM clients start to go down the same bloody
path that  
email clients have already suffered (MS Outlook, anyone?).


  - Brian

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