kate, as a plugin

Hell list,

I wanted to add kate as a plugin, so I can use it for
temporary notes area. It 
all worked good, i added new plugin with name scrapbook and
pointed it to 
kde3/libkatepart.la 

Starting new "srapbook" plugin from the plugins
menu works as well. Only 
problem is that when I start this plugin kate menus and
toolbar are added to 
quanta menu and toolbar. Is there a simple way to avoid
this?

Here is a screen shot with and whithout kate plugin
activated:
http://tnt.goldn
et.ca/kateplugin.png

Sasha



 
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On Friday 29 June 2007, Sasha Andric wrote:
> Hell list,
>
> I wanted to add kate as a plugin, so I can use it for
temporary notes
> area. It all worked good, i added new plugin with name
scrapbook and
> pointed it to kde3/libkatepart.la

This is funny.  Why would
you want to do this?

> are added to quanta menu and toolbar. Is there a simple
way to avoid
> this?

No.

Andras

PS: If you wonder why I'm finding this funny, the answer is
that the 
editor inside of quanta is katepart. More exactly
kde3/libkatepart ...

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On Sunday 01 July 2007 12:51, Andras Mantia wrote:
> PS: If you wonder why I'm finding this funny, the
answer is that the
> editor inside of quanta is katepart. More exactly
kde3/libkatepart ...

I realize that. 

When working on multiple files, small scrapbook area often
comes handy (at 
least to me).  I use it for temporary TODO list, or I paste
some function in 
there so I do not have to think which arguments it takes or
just use it as 
clipboard. Right now I am using joe editor running in the
konsole plugin, but 
I thought that katepart would do better. 

Sasha



 
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Le Sunday 01 July 2007 20:25:43 Sasha Andric, vous avez
écrit :
> When working on multiple files, small scrapbook area
often comes handy (at
> least to me).  I use it for temporary TODO list, or I
paste some function
> in there so I do not have to think which arguments it
takes or just use it
> as clipboard. Right now I am using joe editor running
in the konsole
> plugin, but I thought that katepart would do better.

I agree, it's very useful. 
If someone want to try it, CSSED has this feature
http://cssed.sourceforge
.net


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On Sunday 01 July 2007, Sasha Andric wrote:
> On Sunday 01 July 2007 12:51, Andras Mantia wrote:
> > PS: If you wonder why I'm finding this funny, the
answer is that
> > the editor inside of quanta is katepart. More
exactly
> > kde3/libkatepart ...
>
> I realize that.
>
> When working on multiple files, small scrapbook area
often comes
> handy (at least to me).  I use it for temporary TODO
list, or I paste
> some function in there so I do not have to think which
arguments it
> takes or just use it as clipboard. Right now I am using
joe editor
> running in the konsole plugin, but I thought that
katepart would do
> better.

And can't you just create a new tab inside quanta with an
empty editor?

I'm serious, I cannot imagine why that is worse than
starting an 
extrernal editor or a new plugin.

Andras

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On Monday 02 July 2007 11:53, Andras Mantia wrote:
> On Sunday 01 July 2007, Sasha Andric wrote:
> > On Sunday 01 July 2007 12:51, Andras Mantia
wrote:
> > > PS: If you wonder why I'm finding this funny,
the answer is that
> > > the editor inside of quanta is katepart. More
exactly
> > > kde3/libkatepart ...
> >
> > I realize that.
> >
> > When working on multiple files, small scrapbook
area often comes
> > handy (at least to me).  I use it for temporary
TODO list, or I paste
> > some function in there so I do not have to think
which arguments it
> > takes or just use it as clipboard. Right now I am
using joe editor
> > running in the konsole plugin, but I thought that
katepart would do
> > better.
>
> And can't you just create a new tab inside quanta with
an empty editor?

I do that... but that isn't available on alt-tab.

That's why i usually use knotes for that... i mean, it was
designed for that, 
right?

>
> I'm serious, I cannot imagine why that is worse than
starting an
> extrernal editor or a new plugin.
>
> Andras

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On Monday 02 July 2007, Ciprian Zaharie wrote:
> On Monday 02 July 2007 11:53, Andras Mantia wrote:
> > On Sunday 01 July 2007, Sasha Andric wrote:
> > > On Sunday 01 July 2007 12:51, Andras Mantia
wrote:
> > > > PS: If you wonder why I'm finding this
funny, the answer is
> > > > that the editor inside of quanta is
katepart. More exactly
> > > > kde3/libkatepart ...
> > >
> > > I realize that.
> > >
> > > When working on multiple files, small
scrapbook area often comes
> > > handy (at least to me).  I use it for
temporary TODO list, or I
> > > paste some function in there so I do not have
to think which
> > > arguments it takes or just use it as
clipboard. Right now I am
> > > using joe editor running in the konsole
plugin, but I thought
> > > that katepart would do better.
> >
> > And can't you just create a new tab inside quanta
with an empty
> > editor?
>
> I do that... but that isn't available on alt-tab.
>
> That's why i usually use knotes for that... i mean, it
was designed
> for that, right?

That's fine. I just didn't understand why someone would like
to use an 
editor plugin inside quanta. Hm, i think I have an use case:
you want 
to put the plugin in a toolview, so you have actually two
editor 
windows visible at the same time. In that case it might make
sense, in 
all other cases I think it is not.

Ok, so back to the menu issue: the only solution is to
create a new 
editor part with more simple menus. For this you don't need
to code 
anything, all you would need to do is to copy libkatepart.so
and .la to 
a new name, like "libkatepartsimple.so" and .la,
do the same for 
KDEDIRS/share/apps/katepart (copy as katepartsimple), and
edit the 
katepartui.rc there, so the menus are removed. This is
completely 
untested, it might not work in real life, but it worths a
try. You 
might also need to rename that rc file to
katepartsimpleui.rc.

If it doesn't work, the source has to be changed to create a
"simple" 
katepart.

Andras

PS: Or you can create a really simple editor part plugin.



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I've been following this and I think it is a great idea. 
I've always wanted a 
small 'scratchpad' and this seems like the answer.  I have
used the Kate 
plugin as suggested a few days a ago and it is just what I
needed.  Menu 
duplication doesn't worry me too much .

Thanks to all for the suggestions and ideas!!
Simon Dawson


On Monday 02 July 2007 10:15, Andras Mantia wrote:
> On Monday 02 July 2007, Ciprian Zaharie wrote:
> > On Monday 02 July 2007 11:53, Andras Mantia
wrote:
> > > On Sunday 01 July 2007, Sasha Andric wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 01 July 2007 12:51, Andras
Mantia wrote:
> > > > > PS: If you wonder why I'm finding
this funny, the answer is
> > > > > that the editor inside of quanta is
katepart. More exactly
> > > > > kde3/libkatepart ...
> > > >
> > > > I realize that.
> > > >
> > > > When working on multiple files, small
scrapbook area often comes
> > > > handy (at least to me).  I use it for
temporary TODO list, or I
> > > > paste some function in there so I do not
have to think which
> > > > arguments it takes or just use it as
clipboard. Right now I am
> > > > using joe editor running in the konsole
plugin, but I thought
> > > > that katepart would do better.
> > >
> > > And can't you just create a new tab inside
quanta with an empty
> > > editor?
> >
> > I do that... but that isn't available on alt-tab.
> >
> > That's why i usually use knotes for that... i
mean, it was designed
> > for that, right?
>
> That's fine. I just didn't understand why someone would
like to use an
> editor plugin inside quanta. Hm, i think I have an use
case: you want
> to put the plugin in a toolview, so you have actually
two editor
> windows visible at the same time. In that case it might
make sense, in
> all other cases I think it is not.
>
> Ok, so back to the menu issue: the only solution is to
create a new
> editor part with more simple menus. For this you don't
need to code
> anything, all you would need to do is to copy
libkatepart.so and .la to
> a new name, like "libkatepartsimple.so" and
.la, do the same for
> KDEDIRS/share/apps/katepart (copy as katepartsimple),
and edit the
> katepartui.rc there, so the menus are removed. This is
completely
> untested, it might not work in real life, but it worths
a try. You
> might also need to rename that rc file to
katepartsimpleui.rc.
>
> If it doesn't work, the source has to be changed to
create a "simple"
> katepart.
>
> Andras
>
> PS: Or you can create a really simple editor part
plugin. 

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On Monday 02 July 2007 06:15, Andras Mantia wrote:
> On Monday 02 July 2007, Ciprian Zaharie wrote:
> > On Monday 02 July 2007 11:53, Andras Mantia
wrote:
> > > On Sunday 01 July 2007, Sasha Andric wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 01 July 2007 12:51, Andras
Mantia wrote:
> > > > > PS: If you wonder why I'm finding
this funny, the answer is
> > > > > that the editor inside of quanta is
katepart. More exactly
> > > > > kde3/libkatepart ...
> > > >
> > > > I realize that.
> > > >
> > > > When working on multiple files, small
scrapbook area often comes
> > > > handy (at least to me).  I use it for
temporary TODO list, or I
> > > > paste some function in there so I do not
have to think which
> > > > arguments it takes or just use it as
clipboard. Right now I am
> > > > using joe editor running in the konsole
plugin, but I thought
> > > > that katepart would do better.
> > >
> > > And can't you just create a new tab inside
quanta with an empty
> > > editor?
> >
> > I do that... but that isn't available on alt-tab.
> >
> > That's why i usually use knotes for that... i
mean, it was designed
> > for that, right?
>
> That's fine. I just didn't understand why someone would
like to use an
> editor plugin inside quanta. Hm, i think I have an use
case: you want
> to put the plugin in a toolview, so you have actually
two editor
> windows visible at the same time. In that case it might
make sense, in
> all other cases I think it is not.

Yup, this is exactly what I am trying to do.

>
> Ok, so back to the menu issue: the only solution is to
create a new
> editor part with more simple menus. For this you don't
need to code
> anything, all you would need to do is to copy
libkatepart.so and .la to
> a new name, like "libkatepartsimple.so" and
.la, do the same for
> KDEDIRS/share/apps/katepart (copy as katepartsimple),
and edit the
> katepartui.rc there, so the menus are removed. This is
completely
> untested, it might not work in real life, but it worths
a try. You
> might also need to rename that rc file to
katepartsimpleui.rc.
>
> If it doesn't work, the source has to be changed to
create a "simple"
> katepart.
Yeah, it seems that this is the only option. When I rename
files, plugin 
cannot be loaded as there is no init_libkatesimplepart
function defined.

Thanks for the time and suggestions. 


>
> Andras
>
> PS: Or you can create a really simple editor part
plugin. 
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