LWN: "Who Maintains RPM"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rpm-devel-bounceslists.dulug.duke.edu
[mailto:rpm-devel-
> bounceslists.dulug.duke.edu] On Behalf Of seth vidal
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:52 AM
> To: RPM internals development and distro coordination
> Subject: Re: [Rpm-devel] LWN: "Who Maintains
RPM"
> 
> On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 09:22 -0400, Jeff Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Heh, "conservative" Republican spin
doctoring.
> >
> > What human being (nerds included) would ever wish
to be non-
> > conservative?
> >
> > Heck "liberal" political views lead to
"radical" and "terrorism"
just
> > like marijuana leads to cocaine. That's what my
President tells me.
> >
> > Perhaps there other issues for not upgrading that
are engineering
> > related.
> >
> > Meanwhile I'm ecstatic that SuSE upgraded from
rpm-3.0.x.
> >
> > Now to upgrade Sun, IBM, HP to rpm-4.4.x, and
perhaps get FreeBSD
> > unhooked from
> > rpm-4.0.4 as well.
> >
> > Nothing personal, I'm just a bit irked at #119185
FUD today.
> 
>  It's not about 119185. That's just a flash point
that brought the
> problem to light for some folks inside fedora. The
problem is the lack
> of development process. The lack of a roadmap. The lack
of structure
and
> order.
> 
> rpm is a big and important piece of many distributions.
We need to
know
> that we can have a bit less surprising development
process out of it.
> 
> I talked to you about this years ago. I suggested a
roadmap and
release
> cycles. Cranking away toward things like rpm 5 and
beyond in a more
> structured fashion so more people could help with
development knowing
> that it was progressing following a plan. We talked
about it at dinner
> at vin rouge. I don't think you heard me.
> 
Seth, 

As a previous paying customer of RedHat I must say they
never ever had a
road map for rpm, at least not one that was published.  I
know because I
asked for one over and over again, and not from Jeff
Johnson, but rather
through more official channels.

What RPM has needed for a long time is someone to think
through how to
take it to the next level in features and usability and the
courage to
do it.  Unfortunately, from what I have seen this seems to
be a very
contentious area; and people with very large egos on both
sides seem to
thrash of very small issues, and thus progress is not made. 


Just my 2 cents...james
_______________________________________________
Rpm-devel mailing list
Rpm-devellists.dulug.duke.edu
https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/rpm-devel

On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 09:04 -0500, Oden, James wrote:
> Seth, 
> 
> As a previous paying customer of RedHat I must say they
never ever had a
> road map for rpm, at least not one that was published. 
I know because I
> asked for one over and over again, and not from Jeff
Johnson, but rather
> through more official channels.

I don't think Red hat ever had a plan either.

I don't red hat has a plan for it, now, to be fair.

I also don't think this should be a red hat thing.

I think multiple distros rely on it. It should be something
the distros
focus on and dedicate people to.


> What RPM has needed for a long time is someone to think
through how to
> take it to the next level in features and usability and
the courage to
> do it.  Unfortunately, from what I have seen this seems
to be a very
> contentious area; and people with very large egos on
both sides seem to
> thrash of very small issues, and thus progress is not
made.  

Not someONE, someones.

-sv


_______________________________________________
Rpm-devel mailing list
Rpm-devellists.dulug.duke.edu
https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/rpm-devel

seth vidal wrote:

>> What RPM has needed for a long time is someone to
think through how to
>> take it to the next level in features and usability
and the courage to
>> do it.  Unfortunately, from what I have seen this
seems to be a very
>> contentious area; and people with very large egos
on both sides seem to
>> thrash of very small issues, and thus progress is
not made.  
> 
> Not someONE, someones.

Isn't the traditional response to this -ENOPATCH?  Maybe
-ENORPMBITCH is 
#defined to -ENOPATCH

-Andy
_______________________________________________
Rpm-devel mailing list
Rpm-devellists.dulug.duke.edu
https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/mailman/listinfo/rpm-devel