One thing sticks out to me from the post - "This protocol is being developed for in between IPL treatments" What do the doctors mean by 'in between' here? (serious question, not rhetorical). In regards to Doxy, yes the doctors would agree that it could work as a good prevention for angiogenesis between treatments, but I still cant see anywhere that the doctors are suggesting to continue taking doxy During treatments. Is there any thing I have missed here that suggests this? Do you have the quote from Dr Nase also?
I've had 5 IPL treatments back in 05 from a Multilix. Energy levels ranged from 26-30 Joules. Filter was 870-1400nm (No great results from this – Doctor didn’t want to go to a lower filter)
I've had 5 V-Beam treatments throughout 06. Apparently this was focused on a narrow band range around 595nm. I didn't get the energy levels but my first treatment was set pretty high and gave me bruising for around 2 weeks. I had a significant improvement from this. The next four times an energy level was used that gave me no bruising. I only saw limited results.
Both Doctors advised me not to be on Doxy during treatments. 1st doctor advised 6 months prior, 2nd doctor advised 3 months prior. That’s the reason for my concern.
I’m in Sydney, Australia.
Matt.
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Matt,
I understand your concern, but don't always trust the first thing that pops up on google. I reviewed a couple of articles on pubmed and other medical websites. It seems a lot of IPL research on google and those sites are outdated. I have had IPL before and have never even heard of filters lower than 500nm. Most doctors use 560nm at the minimum and up to 640nm or above. If your doctor uses anything less, I'd be leery. Mine both use 560nm(for superficial) and 590nm (for flushing). Most doctors, including my first(i'm on my second, and the most knowledgeable) will prescribe macrolides during treatment for angiogenesis. I know doxycycline is a tetracycline, but it still has some angiogenesis power. My doctor gives me clonidine as well. Only low doses of course.
ONE THING THAT YOU SHOULD NEVER USE IS ACCUTANE DURING IPL. This causes a different type of photosensetization.
Here is that link you couldn't find:
anti flushing protocol controls angiogenesis between IPL treatments
Posted on August 25th, 2005 by Digital Davo
In a recent post to Rosacea Support
Dr. Soldo mentioned an anti-flushing protocol that he and Dr. Johnson
are working on. This protocol is being developed for in between IPL
treatments, where flushing may lead to new blood vessel growth
(angiogenesis) . Here is an extract ;
A good antiflushing protocal might include some or even all of the following:
Pure Aloe Vera Gel kept in the refrigeratorZebeta (Bisoprolol) 2.5 to 5 mg at bedtimeHand held 660nm LED light 42-84 light arrayMicrodose of Clonidine, ie .025mg at time of a severe flush but
only once a day. There must not be a history of heart, kidney or liver
disease and the blood pressure should not be too high or too low.Sun block at all time when outdoors and re-apply oftenDoxycycline 20mg twice a day
All medications should always be approved by a medical doctor and monitored regularly When I said do some searches, I meant on this group. I understand you being cautious, trust me, I've been there. I was overly cautious during my first round of treatments. I didn't preflush(big factor for not working) and took my vitamins and baby aspirin during treatment, which thinned my blood.
Also, your right about the textbook definition of "SUB CLINICAL." But you have to take it in the context of rosacea. It means that the doses of medications( clonidine, antibiotics, accutane, etc.) are at significantly lower doses than that used for the diseases they were meant to treat. SUB CLINICAL in this case means: below the normal doses uses in clinical practices (clonidine = blood pressure, antibiotics = infections, accutane = acne).
I'm sorry for being strongly opinionated on this subject, but I just want to make clear that it is safe and actually recommended by knowledgable doctors for making IPL more effective. Dr. Nase supports this theory too. It's a completely different type of light wave spectrum, as you stated in your reply.
PS.
Did you have success from your treatments? Where do you live?
Chris
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