Re: Ruby on Rails job

For RoR hosting we use http://
www.bluefur.com/inbound/go.php?aid=205

They have stellar technical service, but sales and billing
(probably done
by the same person) is difficult to contact and to deal
with.
Anyway, they just built a new server running Rails 1.2. If
you tell them
that's what you need, they're going to put you on this one.

Good disk space, good bandwidth. Unlimited domain name,
unlimited MySQL,
unlimited emails, php, RoR and Fatastico. All that for 6.95
per month -15%
for 12 months or  -20% for 24 months. They're locate in the
Vancouver area.

I strongly suggest that you pay by Paypal and do not use
your credit card
to buy.

Have a good day.

Hugues Lamy - M2i3

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Hugo Frappier mailhugofrappier.com
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:28:26 -0400
To: rubymtllists.artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [Rubymtl] Ruby on Rails job


I too agree on the rate.  A programmer that would normally
be paid  
65K in a company with 3 weeks vacation should charge at
least 45$ an  
hour, assuming 30 billable hours per week, which I think is
a bit  
risky (depends if the programmer works on short or long-term
 
projects).  We also have to pay for software (editors), new
machines,  
marketing expenses, RRQ, ... so I would even stretch to 50$.
  I  
offer a "decreasing" rate based on the size of the
project.  The more  
you consumme, the cheapest is the rate.

By the way, I'm a freelancer in Montreal and every new
projects I  
start is in RoR.  Can't wait to have canadian hosting
companies that  
have decent RoR hosting offerings.

Hugo
mailcekoya.com
http://www.cekoya.com

On 28-Mar-07, at 8:45 AM, Heri wrote:

> kudos on extra overhead for freelancers. this can't be
stressed  
> enough.
>
> by the way, I said 60$ per hour for a RoR consultant in
the US, but  
> this can't be applied in Montreal. Unless you work for
a high  
> profile startup that is developing a product for the
American market.
>
> that's why I have chosen to work with companies/people
both in  
> Montreal and in the US. or Europe.
>
> http://montrealtechwatch
.com
>
> Le 07-03-27 à 17:15, Jean-Pierre Martineau a écrit :
>
>> Given the fact that unless you're working on a
long-term project 6  
>> months +, it's virtually impossible to bill 40
hours a week since  
>> you need to look for work, keep up to date with
technology, deal  
>> with sales tax paperwork, etc. That said I don't
believe anyone  
>> would accept such a low compensation unless they
already have a  
>> full-time job and want to make a little extra cash
on weeknights  
>> and weekends while pimping up their resumé. 15,00$
to 22.50$/hr.  
>> isn't even close to the going salary for a
competent programmer,  
>> let alone a freelancer who has extra overhead to
deal with.
>>
>> IMHO, the people who posted that ad are out of
touch with the  
>> Montreal market.
>>
>> I'd say that it would be very hard to find any
serious RoR  
>> freelance developers without expecting to pay 40 to
80$/hr.
>>
>>
>> Jean-Pierre Martineau
>> jpmartineaujpmartineau.com
>> http://jpmartineau.com
>>
>>
>> On 27-Mar-2007, at 9:35, Edward Ocampo-Gooding
wrote:
>>
>>> What's the going rate?
>>>
>>> Daniel Haran wrote:
>>>> Hi all, first post. I work in Rails in
Quebec city; got the job
>>>> through this list 
>>>>
>>>> $15/hr to $22.50/hr for "Extreme
proficiency in Ruby on Rails"  
>>>> and a
>>>> "Degree in computer science, or a
technical degree in a programming
>>>> field" - this surprised me.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone else find those wages fairly
low for expertise? Are  
>>>> there
>>>> so many people desperate to get a Rails job
that we'll take lower
>>>> salaries?
>>>
>>>
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Is this a virtual server hosting arrangement?  That is, do
they
provide you your very own isolated Linux installation
running on
VMWare, for example?

Derek

On 3/28/07, Hugues.lamym2i3.com <Hugues.lamym2i3.com> wrote:
> For RoR hosting we use http://
www.bluefur.com/inbound/go.php?aid=205
>
> They have stellar technical service, but sales and
billing (probably done
> by the same person) is difficult to contact and to deal
with.
> Anyway, they just built a new server running Rails 1.2.
If you tell them
> that's what you need, they're going to put you on this
one.
>
> Good disk space, good bandwidth. Unlimited domain name,
unlimited MySQL,
> unlimited emails, php, RoR and Fatastico. All that for
6.95 per month -15%
> for 12 months or  -20% for 24 months. They're locate in
the Vancouver area.
>
> I strongly suggest that you pay by Paypal and do not
use your credit card
> to buy.
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Hugues Lamy - M2i3
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Hugo Frappier mailhugofrappier.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:28:26 -0400
> To: rubymtllists.artengine.ca
> Subject: Re: [Rubymtl] Ruby on Rails job
>
>
> I too agree on the rate.  A programmer that would
normally be paid
> 65K in a company with 3 weeks vacation should charge at
least 45$ an
> hour, assuming 30 billable hours per week, which I
think is a bit
> risky (depends if the programmer works on short or
long-term
> projects).  We also have to pay for software (editors),
new machines,
> marketing expenses, RRQ, ... so I would even stretch to
50$.   I
> offer a "decreasing" rate based on the size
of the project.  The more
> you consumme, the cheapest is the rate.
>
> By the way, I'm a freelancer in Montreal and every new
projects I
> start is in RoR.  Can't wait to have canadian hosting
companies that
> have decent RoR hosting offerings.
>
> Hugo
> mailcekoya.com
> http://www.cekoya.com
>
> On 28-Mar-07, at 8:45 AM, Heri wrote:
>
> > kudos on extra overhead for freelancers. this
can't be stressed
> > enough.
> >
> > by the way, I said 60$ per hour for a RoR
consultant in the US, but
> > this can't be applied in Montreal. Unless you work
for a high
> > profile startup that is developing a product for
the American market.
> >
> > that's why I have chosen to work with
companies/people both in
> > Montreal and in the US. or Europe.
> >
> > http://montrealtechwatch
.com
> >
> > Le 07-03-27 à 17:15, Jean-Pierre Martineau a écrit
:
> >
> >> Given the fact that unless you're working on a
long-term project 6
> >> months +, it's virtually impossible to bill 40
hours a week since
> >> you need to look for work, keep up to date
with technology, deal
> >> with sales tax paperwork, etc. That said I
don't believe anyone
> >> would accept such a low compensation unless
they already have a
> >> full-time job and want to make a little extra
cash on weeknights
> >> and weekends while pimping up their resumé.
15,00$ to 22.50$/hr.
> >> isn't even close to the going salary for a
competent programmer,
> >> let alone a freelancer who has extra overhead
to deal with.
> >>
> >> IMHO, the people who posted that ad are out of
touch with the
> >> Montreal market.
> >>
> >> I'd say that it would be very hard to find any
serious RoR
> >> freelance developers without expecting to pay
40 to 80$/hr.
> >>
> >>
> >> Jean-Pierre Martineau
> >> jpmartineaujpmartineau.com
> >> http://jpmartineau.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On 27-Mar-2007, at 9:35, Edward Ocampo-Gooding
wrote:
> >>
> >>> What's the going rate?
> >>>
> >>> Daniel Haran wrote:
> >>>> Hi all, first post. I work in Rails in
Quebec city; got the job
> >>>> through this list 
> >>>>
> >>>> $15/hr to $22.50/hr for "Extreme
proficiency in Ruby on Rails"
> >>>> and a
> >>>> "Degree in computer science, or a
technical degree in a programming
> >>>> field" - this surprised me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone else find those wages
fairly low for expertise? Are
> >>>> there
> >>>> so many people desperate to get a
Rails job that we'll take lower
> >>>> salaries?

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I've used site5 (the 5$ a month deal) and have had nothing
but a great 
experience; quick support, proper ssh access, 55GB of
storage and 5TB of 
transfer. They've also got Rails contributors as engineers,
which helps 
in a few ways.

Check 'em out: http://www.site5.com

Edward

Derek Mahar wrote:
> Is this a virtual server hosting arrangement?  That is,
do they
> provide you your very own isolated Linux installation
running on
> VMWare, for example?
> 
> Derek
> 
> On 3/28/07, Hugues.lamym2i3.com
<Hugues.lamym2i3.com> wrote:
>> For RoR hosting we use http://
www.bluefur.com/inbound/go.php?aid=205
>>
>> They have stellar technical service, but sales and
billing (probably done
>> by the same person) is difficult to contact and to
deal with.
>> Anyway, they just built a new server running Rails
1.2. If you tell them
>> that's what you need, they're going to put you on
this one.
>>
>> Good disk space, good bandwidth. Unlimited domain
name, unlimited MySQL,
>> unlimited emails, php, RoR and Fatastico. All that
for 6.95 per month -15%
>> for 12 months or  -20% for 24 months. They're
locate in the Vancouver area.
>>
>> I strongly suggest that you pay by Paypal and do
not use your credit card
>> to buy.
>>
>> Have a good day.
>>
>> Hugues Lamy - M2i3
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Hugo Frappier mailhugofrappier.com
>> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:28:26 -0400
>> To: rubymtllists.artengine.ca
>> Subject: Re: [Rubymtl] Ruby on Rails job
>>
>>
>> I too agree on the rate.  A programmer that would
normally be paid
>> 65K in a company with 3 weeks vacation should
charge at least 45$ an
>> hour, assuming 30 billable hours per week, which I
think is a bit
>> risky (depends if the programmer works on short or
long-term
>> projects).  We also have to pay for software
(editors), new machines,
>> marketing expenses, RRQ, ... so I would even
stretch to 50$.   I
>> offer a "decreasing" rate based on the
size of the project.  The more
>> you consumme, the cheapest is the rate.
>>
>> By the way, I'm a freelancer in Montreal and every
new projects I
>> start is in RoR.  Can't wait to have canadian
hosting companies that
>> have decent RoR hosting offerings.
>>
>> Hugo
>> mailcekoya.com
>> http://www.cekoya.com
>>
>> On 28-Mar-07, at 8:45 AM, Heri wrote:
>>
>>> kudos on extra overhead for freelancers. this
can't be stressed
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> by the way, I said 60$ per hour for a RoR
consultant in the US, but
>>> this can't be applied in Montreal. Unless you
work for a high
>>> profile startup that is developing a product
for the American market.
>>>
>>> that's why I have chosen to work with
companies/people both in
>>> Montreal and in the US. or Europe.
>>>
>>> http://montrealtechwatch
.com
>>>
>>> Le 07-03-27 à 17:15, Jean-Pierre Martineau a
écrit :
>>>
>>>> Given the fact that unless you're working
on a long-term project 6
>>>> months +, it's virtually impossible to bill
40 hours a week since
>>>> you need to look for work, keep up to date
with technology, deal
>>>> with sales tax paperwork, etc. That said I
don't believe anyone
>>>> would accept such a low compensation unless
they already have a
>>>> full-time job and want to make a little
extra cash on weeknights
>>>> and weekends while pimping up their resumé.
15,00$ to 22.50$/hr.
>>>> isn't even close to the going salary for a
competent programmer,
>>>> let alone a freelancer who has extra
overhead to deal with.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO, the people who posted that ad are out
of touch with the
>>>> Montreal market.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say that it would be very hard to find
any serious RoR
>>>> freelance developers without expecting to
pay 40 to 80$/hr.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jean-Pierre Martineau
>>>> jpmartineaujpmartineau.com
>>>> http://jpmartineau.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27-Mar-2007, at 9:35, Edward
Ocampo-Gooding wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What's the going rate?
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Haran wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all, first post. I work in Rails
in Quebec city; got the job
>>>>>> through this list 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $15/hr to $22.50/hr for
"Extreme proficiency in Ruby on Rails"
>>>>>> and a
>>>>>> "Degree in computer science,
or a technical degree in a programming
>>>>>> field" - this surprised me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone else find those wages
fairly low for expertise? Are
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> so many people desperate to get a
Rails job that we'll take lower
>>>>>> salaries?
> 
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Is Site5 a shared hosting service?  Do they offer virtual
servers?

Derek

On 3/28/07, Edward Ocampo-Gooding <edward.oggmail.com> wrote:
> I've used site5 (the 5$ a month deal) and have had
nothing but a great
> experience; quick support, proper ssh access, 55GB of
storage and 5TB of
> transfer. They've also got Rails contributors as
engineers, which helps
> in a few ways.
>
> Check 'em out: http://www.site5.com
>
> Edward
>
> Derek Mahar wrote:
> > Is this a virtual server hosting arrangement? 
That is, do they
> > provide you your very own isolated Linux
installation running on
> > VMWare, for example?
> >
> > Derek
> >
> > On 3/28/07, Hugues.lamym2i3.com
<Hugues.lamym2i3.com> wrote:
> >> For RoR hosting we use http://
www.bluefur.com/inbound/go.php?aid=205
> >>
> >> They have stellar technical service, but sales
and billing (probably done
> >> by the same person) is difficult to contact
and to deal with.
> >> Anyway, they just built a new server running
Rails 1.2. If you tell them
> >> that's what you need, they're going to put you
on this one.
> >>
> >> Good disk space, good bandwidth. Unlimited
domain name, unlimited MySQL,
> >> unlimited emails, php, RoR and Fatastico. All
that for 6.95 per month -15%
> >> for 12 months or  -20% for 24 months. They're
locate in the Vancouver area.
> >>
> >> I strongly suggest that you pay by Paypal and
do not use your credit card
> >> to buy.
> >>
> >> Have a good day.
> >>
> >> Hugues Lamy - M2i3
> >>
> >> Original Message:
> >> -----------------
> >> From: Hugo Frappier mailhugofrappier.com
> >> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:28:26 -0400
> >> To: rubymtllists.artengine.ca
> >> Subject: Re: [Rubymtl] Ruby on Rails job
> >>
> >>
> >> I too agree on the rate.  A programmer that
would normally be paid
> >> 65K in a company with 3 weeks vacation should
charge at least 45$ an
> >> hour, assuming 30 billable hours per week,
which I think is a bit
> >> risky (depends if the programmer works on
short or long-term
> >> projects).  We also have to pay for software
(editors), new machines,
> >> marketing expenses, RRQ, ... so I would even
stretch to 50$.   I
> >> offer a "decreasing" rate based on
the size of the project.  The more
> >> you consumme, the cheapest is the rate.
> >>
> >> By the way, I'm a freelancer in Montreal and
every new projects I
> >> start is in RoR.  Can't wait to have canadian
hosting companies that
> >> have decent RoR hosting offerings.
> >>
> >> Hugo
> >> mailcekoya.com
> >> http://www.cekoya.com
> >>
> >> On 28-Mar-07, at 8:45 AM, Heri wrote:
> >>
> >>> kudos on extra overhead for freelancers.
this can't be stressed
> >>> enough.
> >>>
> >>> by the way, I said 60$ per hour for a RoR
consultant in the US, but
> >>> this can't be applied in Montreal. Unless
you work for a high
> >>> profile startup that is developing a
product for the American market.
> >>>
> >>> that's why I have chosen to work with
companies/people both in
> >>> Montreal and in the US. or Europe.
> >>>
> >>> http://montrealtechwatch
.com
> >>>
> >>> Le 07-03-27 à 17:15, Jean-Pierre Martineau
a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> Given the fact that unless you're
working on a long-term project 6
> >>>> months +, it's virtually impossible to
bill 40 hours a week since
> >>>> you need to look for work, keep up to
date with technology, deal
> >>>> with sales tax paperwork, etc. That
said I don't believe anyone
> >>>> would accept such a low compensation
unless they already have a
> >>>> full-time job and want to make a
little extra cash on weeknights
> >>>> and weekends while pimping up their
resumé. 15,00$ to 22.50$/hr.
> >>>> isn't even close to the going salary
for a competent programmer,
> >>>> let alone a freelancer who has extra
overhead to deal with.
> >>>>
> >>>> IMHO, the people who posted that ad
are out of touch with the
> >>>> Montreal market.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd say that it would be very hard to
find any serious RoR
> >>>> freelance developers without expecting
to pay 40 to 80$/hr.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jean-Pierre Martineau
> >>>> jpmartineaujpmartineau.com
> >>>> http://jpmartineau.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 27-Mar-2007, at 9:35, Edward
Ocampo-Gooding wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> What's the going rate?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Daniel Haran wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi all, first post. I work in
Rails in Quebec city; got the job
> >>>>>> through this list 
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> $15/hr to $22.50/hr for
"Extreme proficiency in Ruby on Rails"
> >>>>>> and a
> >>>>>> "Degree in computer
science, or a technical degree in a programming
> >>>>>> field" - this surprised
me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Does anyone else find those
wages fairly low for expertise? Are
> >>>>>> there
> >>>>>> so many people desperate to
get a Rails job that we'll take lower
> >>>>>> salaries?

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