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Rules over complex examples (Was: OWL vs RDF)
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2006-10-24 13:33:15
Hi Ivan --

You wrote...

  if a rule system was around, it may do the trick in simple cases

which prompts two thoughts please....

1. ; There is a rule system online that  does the trick in several simple examples [1,2]

2.   Do you have please a pointer to complex examples in which you think the approach via exactly those kinds of rules  [3] would not work? ;

It would be really useful to see such examples, and maybe of interest for RIF and the semantic community in general.

         ;  Thanks!  -- Adrian

[1]  www.reengineeringllc.com/demo_agents/OwlResearchOnt.agent

[2]  www.reengineeringllc.com/demo_agents/RDFQueryLangComparison1.agent

[3] www.reengineeringllc.com/A_Wiki_for_Business_Rules_in_Open_Vocabulary_Executable_English.pdf

Internet Business Logic (R)
Executable open vocabulary English
Online at www.reengineeringllc.com
Shared use is free

Adrian Walker
Reengineering
Phone: USA 860 830 2085


On 10/24/06, Ivan Herman < ivanw3.org">ivanw3.org>; wrote:
HI Adrian & all,

yes, I can see your point and indeed, if a rule system was around, it
may do the trick in simple cases. Another (non-exclusive) approach is
what I briefly mentioned at the F2F: is the development of a kind of an
intermediate layer between RDFS and OWL; a layer that would allow some
extra information to be added to the knowledge base without forcing the
usage of a DL reasoner. There are several approaches for this, and we (I
mean, W3C) may want to look into this more closely next year...

Ivan

Adrian Walker wrote:
>; Hi Ivan, Kerstin & All --
>
&gt; A quick thought about "you are a perfectly decent Semantic Web citizen
&gt; even if you do not use OWL".
>
> We have found that, even in rather simple cases, it's quite hard for a
> programmer to check that inferences over RDF are producing correct results.
&gt;
> An approach that we have found useful is to reason over RDF using rules
> in executable, open vocabulary English.
&gt;
> With this extra English semantics attached, we can have the system
>; explain, in English, at the business or scientific level, how it derived
&gt; a result.
&gt;
> There's&nbsp; a simple example at
>
&gt;
> https://www.reengineeringllc.com/demo_agents/RDFQueryLangComparison1.agent
>
> You can view, edit, and run the example (and others) by pointing a
> browser to reengineeringllc.com <http://reengineeringllc.com >; and
> selecting the example RDFQueryLangComparison1 .
>
>; HTH,  -- Adrian
>;
>
> Internet Business Logic (R)
> Executable open vocabulary English
&gt; Online at www.reengineeringllc.com <http://www.reengineeringllc.com>
> Shared use is free
>
> Adrian Walker
>; Reengineering
> Phone: USA 860 830 2085
>
>

--

Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
URL: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
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FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf



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