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What does draft-polk-sip-rph-in-responses-00 get us? Is that what we want?
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United States
2007-09-25 14:05:47
It seems like there's more motivating draft-polk-sip-rph-in-

responses-00 than just the need to prioritize access to
scarce  
gateway resources. A lot of the people I've talked to are
thinking  
that it is also useful for prioritizing message processing
in  
congested proxies or other SIP nodes (like B2BUAs, call
center  
queues, whatever).

It has even been suggested that the RPH value might be used
by a  
congested node for selective discard of responses, which has
some  
interesting impacts on the overload queueing model.

An unstated goal here is that even if proxy-like resources
are  
operating at a totally saturated level they MUST still be
able to  
process messages with a high RPH value, even if it means
totally  
disrupting lower-priority traffic and creating cascade
collapse and  
link saturation with message retransmissions. It seems to me
that  
this would require very careful collaboration with a
diffserv layer  
to make work, but that's just one of the open questions.

The other open questions I think I see are  a) how to allow
a  
priority determination to be made by a node on the
"response" side of  
the loop, and b) how to deal with authentication and
authorization  
for priority levels requested in a response. This raises a
couple of  
state-management questions, and two big thorny architectural
questions.

The state bits are easy, I think -- Having learned of a
priority  
established "somewhere along the line", each
statefully participating  
SIP node must continue to add an equivalent priority header
in future  
messages. Unless of course the node has reason to be
changing the  
priority level, which of course raises all sorts of
questions about  
who is allowed to change a value, how we can tell it has
been  
changed, whether or not we decide to honor the change, and
so on.

The more fundamental architectural questions are 1) How do
we change  
anything in a response that can't be challenged, and 2) how
do we  
authenticate changes introduced by non-terminal nodes?

The first problem we've traditionally addressed by a
reverse- 
direction request, as noted by John Elwell. That might work
here.

The second problem is a much bigger mess, one that we've
categorized  
as "middle-to-middle" and/or
"middle-to-end". This is a big open  
problem in the SIP space, one that we don't even have a
charter item  
to address. We bogged down on the simpler end-to-middle
problem,  
which we managed to document as a more-or-less experimental
document  
pending better understanding of the problem.

Consequently, I think we're asking RPH to do a lot of things
for us  
that it really can't do in the general case.

The only solution that comes to mind is to simplify the
problem  
scope. Perhaps if we started from a really concise statement
of what  
we can reasonably do with a mechanism like RPH, we'd make
more  
headway in understanding the problem.

A short list to work from:

1) RPH can only be set by a request-originating UA.
Consequently, any  
intermediary node that is changing RPH MUST be a B2BUA.

2) Like other dialog attributes, changes of RPH require
modification  
of the dialog via UPDATE or reINVITE.

These two constraints are driven by the
request-authentication model  
and the like of m2m authentication in SIP.

Given these constraints, can we meed the needs of the
community? Now  
the "how they want things to work" needs, but the
real required  
functionality for prioritization?

Do we need to add RPH negotiation to the session-policy
mechanism?

--
Dean



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Re: What does draft-polk-sip-rph-in-responses-00 get us? Is that what we want?
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2007-09-25 14:35:49





Dean Willis <dean.willissoftarmor.com> wrote on 09/25/2007 03:05:47 PM:

&gt;
> It seems like there's more motivating draft-polk-sip-rph-in-
> responses-00 than just the need to prioritize access to scarce  
&gt; gateway resources. A lot of the people I've talked to are thinking  
&gt; that it is also useful for prioritizing message processing in  
&gt; congested proxies or other SIP nodes (like B2BUAs, call center  
&gt; queues, whatever).
>
> It has even been suggested that the RPH value might be used by a  
&gt; congested node for selective discard of responses, which has some &nbsp;
> interesting impacts on the overload queueing model.
&gt;
>

Req 13 in  draft-ietf-sipping-overload-reqs already provides for this

   REQ 13: The mechanism must not dictate a specific algorithm for
      prioritizing the processing of work within a proxy during times of
      overload.  It must permit a proxy to prioritize requests based on
      any local policy, so that certain ones (such as a call for
      emergency services or a call with a specific value of of the
      Resource-Priority header field [3]) are processed ahead of others.

Janet

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