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Subclipse and Subversive cooperation
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 2006-04-15 12:32:24 

  


  

    
Igor,

I think everyone is in agreement that there needs to be an 'official'
SVN client hosted at eclipse.org.  The question is, what form will it
take and who will support it.



Creating a new SVN project at eclipse.org has a unique set of
problems.  Most notably, the total lack of SVN infrastructure
(https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=131096).  Presumably, an
SVN based product should be hosted on a subversion repository.  Until
the infrastructure is there this whole project looks like a non starter.



The other hurdle is the lack of interest from Platform/Team.  While
there are no Eclipse projects that are using Subversion, they have
little interest in getting involved with another version control
system.  They already have their hands full with CVS.  It is an
unfortunate Catch-22.



As Mark mentioned, Subversive has a unique hurdle as it is tied to
JavaSVN which does not have an ASF, CPL or EPL license.  Eclipse have
very strict guidelines on licensing and it is unlikely they would
accept JavaSVN as a dependency while it has a custom license.  Perhaps
one way around this is to move JavaSVN under the Eclipse umbrella and
continue to develop it as part of the SVN client project (if Alex is
willing).



Speaking for myself, the problem I have with joining with the
Subversive team is a lack of trust.  To me, the initial reason of
Polarion creating Subversive are still unclear to me, which makes me
distrustful.  If the goal all along was to add SVN support to the base
Eclipse SDK, then why wasn't a technology project setup at eclipse.org
before you started coding?  It would have been an excellent opportunity
for collaboration.



As for cooperating, that depends on how you define it.  If you mean
drop Subclipse and work on Subversive, then the answer is "no". ; If the
official SVN integration were a whole new product that reused neither
Subclipse, not Subversive then i would consider it, so long as it were
developed with the help/guidance of Platform/Team.  Right now, that is
the only approach that will satisfy both parties.



Could you please make your project proposal public so we can have a
look at it.  Right now, we don't really know what you are proposing.



Cheers,

Brock



Igor Vinnykov wrote:

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Dear
Subclipse Team,

  
 

  
We were
pleased to see that Subclipse reached
release 1.0.0. In near future we also plan to release version 1.0.0 of
Subversive. What is the next? It’s pretty important question for both
our
teams. I think that we have similar aims – provide high quality SVN
support for Eclipse. If so the natural next step is joining to
eclipse.org.
Joining to eclipse.org is one of the most important goals for us and
now we are
under discussion with eclipse.org staff. It’s not a secret that many
people in community want to see SVN support in standard Eclipse
distribution. I
think that it’s very likely that eclipse.org will integrate SVN plugin
in
near future. Such step will be really important for all SVN community,
but from
the other side require a lot of efforts. If we will join our forces we
can
reach this goal faster and at the end can deliver more quality tool. Do
you see
the space for our teams̵7; cooperation? I think that it should be
positive
answer, because the only serious argument against it is different goals
(the
rest can be resolved quickly), but it’s not our case.

  
 

  
As we
write in our message to community we consider
Subversive as solid open-source ground for Polarion commercial tools,
because
only having this ground we can reach the success. Please understand
that our
commercial tools are not contradicted to our open-source goals. If
anybody has
questions or doubts – please feel free to ask and we will be happy to
explain all aspects of our vision.

  
 

  
Please
feel free to use my contacts listed below.

  
 

  
Best
regards,

  
Igor
Vinnykov

  
Polarion
Team

  
 

  
E-mail:
igor.vinnykov (at) polarion.org

  
ICQ:
176097702

  
Skype:
i.vinnykov

  
 

  






  

  
  
   
     
    






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