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Q&A: Getting Hands-On Experience, Cisco Opens ISR Routers to Third Parties, Behind Cisco's Nexus 50
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April 22, 2008
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1. Q&A: The Many Faces of Hands-On Experience 
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1. Q&A: The Many Faces of Hands-On Experience 

Send your toughest Cisco technical questions to editortcpmag.com 
with the subject line "Attn: Scott."

Scott,

I read the college student's question about taking an
interest in 
networking, as well as your response, in the "Cisco
Certs on a 
Budget" Q&A. 

http://tcpmag.com/qanda/article.asp?EditorialsID=397

Here's my problem: I've been A+ certified for years and
wanted to get 
more into networking instead of break/fix PC tech. I got my
MCP in 
Windows 95 and my MCSE in NT 4.0 through a computer-ed
center and 
thought it might open some other doors for me. It hasn't
happened. 

When a potential employer sees MCSE on my resume, I'm
immediately 
placed at a higher level. The issue with that is I didn't
receive any 
hands-on experience for my MCSE. Should I have? When it came
down to 
it at interviews, I could answer the basic questions but not
anything 
related to actual hands-on experience. So I'm put back down
to a 
Level II desktop support/help-desk role because they want
someone 
with at least two to five years of experience. 

I know that NT is now ancient. I haven't pursued anything
more (i.e., 
Windows Server 2003, etc.) because I don't think it will
benefit me 
if I can't even get my foot in the door in a junior role or
as an 
intern. My interest is wireless networking. I know this is
basic but 
I set up a wireless/wired network with a Linksys router in
my home 
and I really like toying with the wireless end. I'm
constantly 
learning more about wireless networking and security. Do you
have 
any advice about how I can at least get in the door and
begin 
getting the practical experience to eventually move up to
the 
next level?

-- Grant

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Grant,

Hands-on experience is definitely an important thing that
sets apart 
good job candidates. Should you have received hands-on
education at 
the education center where you took your MCSE classes? I
would think 
so. Almost the entire Microsoft curriculum (at least as far
as I've 
heard/seen) involves classroom training with computers and
software 
and exercises.

Now, how much hands-on education there is above and beyond
this is 
a different story; THAT part often separates one education
center 
from the next, or one instructor from the next. But things
like 
that may also command a higher training price which steers
away the 
budget-conscious folks.

The same dilemma will hold true with networking or wireless
or 
security. So, since you mention that you like to set up your
own 
network and Linksys router already, why can't you do that
with 
Windows systems?

Never underestimate what you can do with your own network!
Your users 
are both more demanding and more forgiving than real
enterprise users, 
so it's a great way to learn things. The harder part is
likely going 
to be in getting the budget to play with things beyond the 
lower-end devices.

While you may get SOME wireless experience running your
Linksys 
AP/router in your home, it really doesn't present you with
the same 
technical issues that an enterprise network would encounter.
So 
where do you research things like that? Look for wireless
design 
guides. Look at CWNP materials and check out the links on
its Web 
site (http://www.cwnp.com). Make
friends with the folks in your 
local Cisco office (or those at Aruba Networks or at any
other 
company, for that matter) and see what they recommend -- or
even 
whether they can arrange something for you out of the
"Demo Depot" 
(it's not likely they'd do this for an individual as opposed
to a 
company, but the worst they can do is say "no"!).

You may be able to get your hands on some older APs that
still run 
IOS but aren't being used any longer. Still good experience
to set 
things up! Put multiple APs in your home. Wander around and
see if 
you roam between them. Make sure your PC still works.

Do as much as you can to simulate real enterprise networks.
Hands-on 
experience comes in many flavors. No, you can't really get
two to 
five years of experience doing things like this, but you can
get 
some more experience and start to witness things that may
otherwise 
be visible only in a real deployment scenario -- which STILL
puts 
you above the "no experience" level.

You may also want to pay attention to Cisco over the next
few months 
with regard to wireless. There's some stuff that may pique
your 
interest, and perhaps give you a new avenue to pursue some
knowledge.

Experience comes from playing with the stuff hands-on,
though. The 
more convoluted or complicated the setup you can do, the
better 
you'll learn things about the technologies (and the more
frustration 
you may feel!). I've hired people who fell short of the
"preferred 
experience level" before, based on the knowledge they
presented as 
well as the things they did on their own to attempt to gain
experience.

The experience itself is definitely worthwhile, but your
overall 
attitude and drive is priceless. Best of luck with whichever

technology you choose to follow!

Hope that helps,

-- Scott


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Scott Morris, quadruple CCIE, JNCIE and all-around
Uber-Geek, can often 
be seen traveling around the world consulting and delivering
CCIE 
training. He has recently stepped up as VP of Curriculum
Development 
for IPexpert and will oversee a new consulting practice. For
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2. What's New on TCPmag.com

NEWS: "Cisco To Open ISR Routers to Third-Party
Apps"
At its Partner Summit 2008 earlier this month, Cisco Systems
Inc. 
unveiled its Application eXtension Platform (AXP), a lineup
of 
Linux-based ISR modules designed to run third-party
applications.

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NEWS: "Analysis: Cisco's Ambitious New Nexus
Deliverable"
It's been a very busy month for Cisco Systems Inc., which
has recently 
launched a new application extension program for its ISR
Routers, 
introduced new fixed configuration ISR routers and,
crucially, 
unveiled its Nexus 5000 Series, a new lineup of datacenter 
class switches.

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