Store tiddlers in their own text files...?

Hello all,

I have a TiddlyWiki file on a shared network drive for use
as a
departmental GuerillaWiki. To prevent people's edits from
getting
overwritten, I've installed the TiddlyLockPlugin by Richard
Hobbis. It
works as expected, wouldn't change it at all. However, now
I'm getting
to the point where it would be very beneficial if people
could edit
different tiddlers simultaneously. (Actually, it would be
ideal if
people could even edit the same tiddler simultaneously, and
have
TiddlyWiki (via a plugin?) analyse the diffs between the two
tiddler
versions and automatically merge them if there are no
conflicts, but I
digress.)

Is there a plugin that exists (or a serverless adaption)
that would
separate all tiddlers into their own files? This is also
desired
because the TiddlyWiki file is getting kind of large and it
takes a
while for it to load and save over the network.

Note: I've slightly modified the TiddlyWiki file by changing
the
extension to .hta. I've also modified the backup function to
save all
backups with a .hta extension, as well. This is due in part
to
ServicePack2Problems and because there's an ampersand
(&) in one of
the folder names in the path to the TiddlyWiki file. IE
seems to have
an issue with this, but MSHTA does not. I'd rename the
folder, but
dozens of people access these folders, and I am not the
owner of the
folder in question.

Thank you,

Christopher C. Parker


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> Is there a plugin that exists (or a serverless
adaption) that would
> separate all tiddlers into their own files? This is
also desired
> because the TiddlyWiki file is getting kind of large
and it takes a
> while for it to load and save over the network.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Christopher C. Parker

Hi Christopher,

ArchivePlugin (http://jackparke.go
oglepages.com/
jtw.html#ArchivePlugin) would save all tiddler as seperate
html files.
Though I don't know if that is what would serve your
purpose.

With IncludePlugin (http://tiddlywik
i.abego-software.de/
#IncludePlugin) you also could include older Archives of
whole
TiddlyWikis and make them readable in your current TW.

Regards,

W.


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Though I never tried it myself, maybe TimeMachinePlugin
(http://
yann.perrin.googlepages.com/twkd.html#TimeMachinePlugin)
would be a
solution too. Here its description:

TimeMachinePlugin will start recording your backups in the
TimeMachine
tiddler.
- Clicking on a backup date will show you the backup file.
- If ImportTiddlersPlugin is present, clicking on the
'>>' before a
backup date will trigger an import of its properly tagged
tiddlers
(tiddlers tagged with importReplace and importPublic), you
will be
asked for each of these wether you want to import it or
not.
- Clicking on the 'x' button on the right will delete the
associated
history entry
- Clicking on the 'Clear History' button will delete the
entire
history content.

W.

On 19 Okt., 19:49, wolfgang <wolfgangl...gmail.com> wrote:
> > Is there a plugin that exists (or a serverless
adaption) that would
> > separate all tiddlers into their own files? This
is also desired
> > because the TiddlyWiki file is getting kind of
large and it takes a
> > while for it to load and save over the network.
>
> > Thank you,
>
> > Christopher C. Parker
>
> Hi Christopher,
>
> ArchivePlugin (http://jackparke.go
oglepages.com/
> jtw.html#ArchivePlugin) would save all tiddler as
seperate html files.
> Though I don't know if that is what would serve your
purpose.
>
> With IncludePlugin (http://tiddlywik
i.abego-software.de/
> #IncludePlugin) you also could include older Archives
of whole
> TiddlyWikis and make them readable in your current TW.
>
> Regards,
>
> W.


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> Is there a plugin that exists (or a serverless
adaption) that would
> separate all tiddlers into their own files?

I'm afraid there is no simple plugin for that, because it's
quite a 
tricky issue.

If you have a server (or an obsolete workstation) at your
disposal, you 
should look into one of the server-side solutions:
     
http://www.tiddlywiki.org/wiki/Server-Side_Solutions
(Unfortunately, that page is still very much incomplete -
we'd greatly 
appreciate any help in improving it.)


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Just guessing... but this may be useful (or at least I'd
love to larn
what it does/how it works)

http://trac.tid
dlywiki.org/browser/Trunk/contributors/MartinBudden/adaptors
/LocalAdaptorPlugin.js

-Xv

On Oct 19, 6:24 pm, Christopher Parker
<Christopher.C.Par...gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I have a TiddlyWiki file on a shared network drive for
use as a
> departmental GuerillaWiki. To prevent people's edits
from getting
> overwritten, I've installed the TiddlyLockPlugin by
Richard Hobbis. It
> works as expected, wouldn't change it at all. However,
now I'm getting
> to the point where it would be very beneficial if
people could edit
> different tiddlers simultaneously. (Actually, it would
be ideal if
> people could even edit the same tiddler simultaneously,
and have
> TiddlyWiki (via a plugin?) analyse the diffs between
the two tiddler
> versions and automatically merge them if there are no
conflicts, but I
> digress.)
>
> Is there a plugin that exists (or a serverless
adaption) that would
> separate all tiddlers into their own files? This is
also desired
> because the TiddlyWiki file is getting kind of large
and it takes a
> while for it to load and save over the network.
>
> Note: I've slightly modified the TiddlyWiki file by
changing the
> extension to .hta. I've also modified the backup
function to save all
> backups with a .hta extension, as well. This is due in
part to
> ServicePack2Problems and because there's an ampersand
(&) in one of
> the folder names in the path to the TiddlyWiki file. IE
seems to have
> an issue with this, but MSHTA does not. I'd rename the
folder, but
> dozens of people access these folders, and I am not the
owner of the
> folder in question.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Christopher C. Parker


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> > Is there a plugin that exists (or a serverless
adaption) that would
> > separate all tiddlers into their own files?
>
> I'm afraid there is no simple plugin for that, because
it's quite a
> tricky issue.
>
> ...
>
> -- F.

Hi FND,

Why you don't consider ArchivePlugin being able to
"separate all
tiddlers into their own files"?

W.



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> Why you don't consider ArchivePlugin being able to
"separate all
> tiddlers into their own files"?

If I understood Christopher correctly, he needs to be able
to (actively) 
edit the tiddlers at any time, not just (passively)
"outsource" them. 
The same issue applies to the IncludePlugin.


-- F.

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> > Why you don't consider ArchivePlugin being able to
"separate all
> > tiddlers into their own files"?
>
> If I understood Christopher correctly, he needs to be
able to (actively)
> edit the tiddlers at any time, not just (passively)
"outsource" them.
> The same issue applies to the IncludePlugin.
>
> -- F.

Hmmm, .. really don't know with what intent Christopher
wanted to
separate all tiddlers into their own files. You seem to
have
understood him to mean making out of every tiddler a
separate TW, with
one tiddler each? ... with that I would even less understand
- what
for?

However, ArchivePlugin would not only outsource each tiddler
into
separate html files - but they would also 'actively' remain
in the
main TW. Anytime ready to edit right there. (Moreover,
because the
'outsourced' tiddlers are saved as the plain tiddler edit
area, there
is additionally absolutely no risk in editing these separate
html
files with just about any editor.)


> Just guessing... but this may be useful (or at least
I'd love to larn
> what it does/how it works)
>
> http://trac.tiddlywiki.org/browser/Trunk
/contributors/MartinBudden/ad...
>
> -Xv

I would be really curious about this one too...

W.


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> Hmmm, .. really don't know with what intent Christopher
wanted to
> separate all tiddlers into their own files.

Here's what he wrote:

> it would be very beneficial if people could edit
> different tiddlers simultaneously. (Actually, it would
be ideal if
> people could even edit the same tiddler simultaneously

So the ArchivePlugin's saving tiddlers as seperate HTML
files doesn't 
really help here.

Resolving multi-user conflicts is a tricky issue, and will
most likely 
require a server-side component.


-- F.

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> Just guessing... but [the LocalAdaptorPlugin] may be
useful (or at
> least I'd love to larn what it does/how it works)

That does indeed look potentially interesting - I'd love to
learn more 
about this as well.


-- F.

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