Re: Higher-Capacity Wiki needed - please advise

On Nov 28, 11:51 am, wolfgang <wolfgangl...gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Hough,
>
> It is already relatively simple to call external
content, edit it
> internally and save it externally again as what ever
you wish!
>

I'd like to see one plugin to do that.  Specifically, to:

* Archive a given tiddler in PureStoreFormat.html
* Archive a subsequent tiddler by appending it //within//
the first
PureStore, just as one would do within a single TW
* Allow manipulation of data in the archived tiddlers, e.g.
sorting
and rearranging DataTiddler fields, editing archived
tiddlers; this is
not always done in edit view.
* Allow multiple archives with different names to be
specified

In order to have a fully functional process, one would need
to also be
able to:

* Make sure the TW can include tiddler text and functional
plugins
from that archive
* Allow Search to be restricted (with a form field/Browse
button I
guess) to the archive, rather than searching the TW and all
its
includes every time.
* <pipedream>Wouldn't it be nice if macros like
ForEach or Tagging
worked with (tuneable) includes?</pipedream>

The point of this functionality is to be able to work with
tens of
thousands of data units without having a devoted TW for that
purpose;
to be able to use your TW as a TiddlyPod and/or PIM without
cluttering
your RAM up with an encyclopedia.  Not, as Garn noted, to
open new
chapters of your work in tabs, but to browse and edit each
separately
archived chapter using TW as your lean, clean, and mean UI.

What, for example, if you're writing with Twee, and separate
HTML
files (As with the ArchivePlugin) won't do?  But you want to
append a
node within your compiled Twee file (haven't actually tried
that...)?

So, basically, do we have an ArchivePlugin that has an
append
function?

Thanks,

Coby


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 Hi Coby,

> I'd like to see one plugin to do that.  Specifically,
to:
>
> 1) Archive a given tiddler in PureStoreFormat.html
> 2) Archive a subsequent tiddler by appending it
//within// the first
> PureStore, just as one would do within a single TW
> 3) Allow manipulation of data in the archived tiddlers,
e.g. sorting
> and rearranging DataTiddler fields, editing archived
tiddlers; this is
> not always done in edit view.
> 4) Allow multiple archives with different names to be
specified

Guess we have to remain patient a few more months for ONE
single
plugin being capable of all of that. Right now you would
have to:

1) Use ExportTiddlersPlugin, with which you are able to
export a given
- or any number of given tiddlers into PureStoreFormat

2) Use for example QuickEditToolbar to add standard div and
pre tags
to a tiddler. Copy field and tag values manually. - Though I
guess it
would be easy to add it automatically with QuickEditToolbar
with a
little added code too.  - Eric,
what do you think of that?

3) Here it does get a bit more complicated. And at the
moment I see no
way around using an external editor for sorting,
rearranging
DataTiddler fields, and editing a number of archived
tiddlers of a
file in PureStoreFormat. Though one way would be to import
them each
time (see InstantBookmarklets of TiddleTools), and on
completion of
editing, exporting them all anew.

4) That's possible both with ImportTiddlersPlugin and
IncludePlugin
already.

> 5) Make sure the TW can include tiddler text and
functional plugins
> from that archive
> 6) Allow Search to be restricted (with a form
field/Browse button I
> guess) to the archive, rather than searching the TW and
all its
> includes every time.
> 7) <pipedream>Wouldn't it be nice if macros like
ForEach or Tagging
> worked with (tuneable) includes?</pipedream>

5) At the moment only loadExternalv2.js is able to load both
at the
same time. And others, like LoadExtPlugin, would need only
little
adoptions to existing code to be able to accomplish that
too.
- However, both ImportTiddlersPlugin and IncludePlugin, the
only
plugins which add whole PureStoreFormat files with many
tiddlers with
ease of use (loadExternal2.js and LoadExtPlugin both need a
tiddler
with a list of each tiddler) are unable to load functions of
 plugins
on the fly.

6) Requested Udo for such enhanced search functions of
external
content by YourSearchPlugin already. And he will look into
it for the
next release, and as soon he finds some time.

7) - what does pipedream mean? - For Each and tagging does
already
work with includes, for example with the Archive-,
IncludePlugin and
ImportTiddlersPlugin.

> So, basically, do we have an ArchivePlugin that has an
append
> function?

As I said in the beginning - a bid more patience is needed
for all
those different functions to become thoroughly combined in
one or two
fully matured Plugins.

Regards,

W.

On 27 Dez., 22:21, Coby <c...peru.com> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 11:51 am, wolfgang <wolfgangl...gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Hough,
>
> > It is already relatively simple to call external
content, edit it
> > internally and save it externally again as what
ever you wish!
>
> I'd like to see one plugin to do that.  Specifically,
to:
>
> * Archive a given tiddler in PureStoreFormat.html
> * Archive a subsequent tiddler by appending it
//within// the first
> PureStore, just as one would do within a single TW
> * Allow manipulation of data in the archived tiddlers,
e.g. sorting
> and rearranging DataTiddler fields, editing archived
tiddlers; this is
> not always done in edit view.
> * Allow multiple archives with different names to be
specified
>
> In order to have a fully functional process, one would
need to also be
> able to:
>
> * Make sure the TW can include tiddler text and
functional plugins
> from that archive
> * Allow Search to be restricted (with a form
field/Browse button I
> guess) to the archive, rather than searching the TW and
all its
> includes every time.
> * <pipedream>Wouldn't it be nice if macros like
ForEach or Tagging
> worked with (tuneable) includes?</pipedream>
>
> The point of this functionality is to be able to work
with tens of
> thousands of data units without having a devoted TW for
that purpose;
> to be able to use your TW as a TiddlyPod and/or PIM
without cluttering
> your RAM up with an encyclopedia.  Not, as Garn noted,
to open new
> chapters of your work in tabs, but to browse and edit
each separately
> archived chapter using TW as your lean, clean, and mean
UI.
>
> What, for example, if you're writing with Twee, and
separate HTML
> files (As with the ArchivePlugin) won't do?  But you
want to append a
> node within your compiled Twee file (haven't actually
tried that...)?
>
> So, basically, do we have an ArchivePlugin that has an
append
> function?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Coby
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