what is the most common IDE trac-developers use?

Do Trac-developers use any particular IDE? I am looking for
a simple
development flow that works out well.
* Do you develop on the target installation or do you modify
files in
your local directory and run the install process again?
* Do you use any IDE for extra convenience in trac or
plugin
development.

thanks.
- px


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I'll kick off the editor war by saying:

  vim++

mgood also uses vim, so that's

 vim += 2

;)

On 5/20/07, px <prakarpgmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do Trac-developers use any particular IDE? I am looking
for a simple
> development flow that works out well.
> * Do you develop on the target installation or do you
modify files in
> your local directory and run the install process
again?
> * Do you use any IDE for extra convenience in trac or
plugin
> development.
>
> thanks.
> - px
>
>
> >
>


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-On [20070520 15:27], Alec Thomas (trac-dev-listswapoff.org) wrote:
> vim += 2

vim += 3

There's some good scripts out there for helping Python
coding. Also the
OmniFunc stuff in vim 7 now is quite nice for completing
basic Python stuff
(^X^O).

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Alec Thomas wrote:
> I'll kick off the editor war by saying:
>
>   vim++
>
> mgood also uses vim, so that's
>
>  vim += 2
>
> ;)
>   

.. which accounts to vim == 3, for only 2 users, well that's
not fair...

So let's say XEmacs = 10, one user but the editor is an
order of 
magnitude better 

> On 5/20/07, px <prakarpgmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Do Trac-developers use any particular IDE? I am
looking for a simple
>> development flow that works out well.
>> * Do you develop on the target installation or do
you modify files in
>> your local directory and run the install process
again
>>     

For development, nothing is more convenient than using trac
in 
standalone mode, straight from the checkout of the
particular branch 
you're working on. With the "-r" option, it
auto-restarts after every 
code change, making the need for manual restarts only
minimal (e.g. 
after [components] changes in the Trac ini, after the whole
thing 
crashed because of a syntax error, etc.)
In the same way, you'd also benefit from using the [trac]
auto_reload = 
yes  configuration option, which makes the template engine
re-parse the 
templates if they were changed (0.11 / Genshi specific, of
course).

Example of the command line I'm using right now,
from the .../src/trac/branches/t4686-trunk folder:

$ PATH=/C/Program Files/PostgreSQL/8.1/bin:$PATH  
  python  trac/web/standalone.py -p 8000 
    -a '*,C:/Workspace/local/trac/htdigest.realm,realm'  
    -e C:/Workspace/local/trac -r

Also, if you're using a 0.11dev branch, you need to run the
following:

  python setup.py egg_info

before being able to run Trac from the local folder.

Hope this helps!

-- Christian




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On 5/20/07, px <prakarpgmail.com> wrote:

> * Do you develop on the target installation or do you
modify files in
> your local directory and run the install process
again?

For trunk, I now use:

  python setup.py develop -m

I also use workingenv [1] to install all the requirements,
including trac
itself in development mode, in a sandbox. To set up my Trac
development
environment I'd do something like:

  $ svn co http://svn.e
dgewall.com/repos/trac/trunk trac

You can put your workingenv and Trac test environment
anywhere, but for the
purposes of this mail I'll plonk it under the checked out
trunk:

  $ cd trac
  $ mkdir sandbox
  $ workingenv -Z --site-packages sandbox/wenv
  $ . sandbox/wenv/bin/activate
  (wenv)$ python setup.py develop -m
  (wenv)$ trac-admin sandbox/trac initenv
  ....

You can install your plugins into this working environment
in exactly the same
way:

  (wenv)$ cd ../myplugin
  (wenv)$ python setup.py develop -m

Start Trac:

  (wenv)$ tracd -r -s --port 8000 ./sandbox/trac
  ...

Edit Trac and/or plugins to your hearts content.

When finished, deactivate the workingenv:

  (wenv)$ deactivate
  $ tracd
  -bash: tracd: command not found

My actual environment is a bit more streamlined than that,
but that's
essentially how it works.

Any of the other developers got useful tips? I know
coderanger has a
spectacularly large set of scripts to make his life easier


[1] http:
//cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/workingenv.py
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Part of my vim set up is like this:

$HOME/.vimrc

runtime autocmd.vim

And in $HOME/.vim/autocmd.vim I have amongst other things (I
need to review
all this again):

augroup python_autocmd
  " Remove all python autocommands
  autocmd!
  autocmd FileType python set smartindent autoindent
  autocmd FileType python set formatoptions=croql
  autocmd FileType python set cinoptions=t0(0
  autocmd FileType python set textwidth=78 shiftwidth=4
  autocmd FileType python set softtabstop=4 tabstop=8
  autocmd FileType python set expandtab
  autocmd FileType python compiler python
  autocmd FileType python hi PreProc ctermfg=DarkCyan
guifg=DarkCyan
  autocmd FileType python set dict=$HOME/.vim/python.dict
  autocmd BufEnter *.py if getline(1) == "" | call
setline(1, "#!/usr/bin/env py
thon") | call append(1, "") | call
cursor(2,1) | endif
  autocmd BufWrite * if &ft == 'python' | call
StripTrailingWhiteSpace()
  autocmd BufWritePost *.py if
FileExecutable("%:p") | :!chmod a+x % ^ endif
augroup END

And these are additional things I have inside my
$HOME/.vim:

autoload:

    pythoncomplete.vim - 0.7
    
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1542

compiler:

    python.vim:
    
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1439

ftplugin:

    python_encodings.vim:
    h
ttp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=756

    xml.vim - 1.33
    http://www.vim.org/scripts/download_script.php?src_id=
5909

indent:

    python.vim:
    h
ttp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=974

plugin:

    a.vim - 2.15
    ht
tp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=31

    matchit.vim 1.12
    ht
tp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=39

    project.vim - 1.4.1
    ht
tp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=69

    pydoc.vim - 1.1.1
    h
ttp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=910

    snippetEmu.vim:
    
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1318

    taglist.vim - 4.3
    h
ttp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=273

    vcscommand - beta 12
    ht
tp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=90

syntax:

    clearsilver:
    
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1100

    django:
    
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1487

    genshi:
    
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1869

    gtk and such:
    
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1000

    mathml.vim - 1.1
    
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1235

    python.vim:
    h
ttp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=790

    svg.vim - 1.2
    h
ttp://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=935

    txt.vim:
    
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=1532

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px wrote:
> Do Trac-developers use any particular IDE? I am looking
for a simple
> development flow that works out well.
> * Do you develop on the target installation or do you
modify files in
> your local directory and run the install process
again?
> * Do you use any IDE for extra convenience in trac or
plugin
> development.
>   
For my editor I use TextMate. There is a Genshi bundle
available from
genshi.edgewall.org, and I have a (somewhat limited) Trac
bundle I can
make available if people are interested. I have a rather
large bash
script that I use for support tasks (available at
http://dev.c
oderanger.net/src/bashrc.txt), though if you aren't
working
with a large number of versions/environments/plugins it may
be overkill.

--Noah

I usually use pyscripter (http://pyscripter.
googlepages.com/).
It is a windows application, though I've seen references of
it also
working on linux with wine: http://groups.google.com/group/PyScr
ipter/browse_frm/thread/abd4303743c6ccf9

cheers,
Filipe


On May 19, 9:26 pm, px <prak...gmail.com> wrote:
> Do Trac-developers use any particular IDE? I am looking
for a simple
> development flow that works out well.
> * Do you develop on the target installation or do you
modify files in
> your local directory and run the install process
again?
> * Do you use any IDE for extra convenience in trac or
plugin
> development.
>
> thanks.
> - px


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Hi Noah,

> For my editor I use TextMate.
So do I.
(for the record, TextMate is a Mac OS X editor.)

> I have a (somewhat limited) Trac bundle I can
> make available if people are interested.
I'm definitely interested in it. Is it available on
trac-hacks.org?

Cheers,
Manu

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On Sunday 20 May 2007, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:
> 
> -On [20070520 15:27], Alec Thomas (trac-dev-listswapoff.org) wrote:
> > vim += 2
> 
> vim += 3
> 
> There's some good scripts out there for helping Python
coding. Also the
> OmniFunc stuff in vim 7 now is quite nice for
completing basic Python stuff
> (^X^O).

vim++

Eli

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