Translation of plugins

Hi Trac devs "saludos desde la 'llajta'".

I wanted to ask a question about translation of plugins.

As maintainer of htt
p://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracSpanishTranslation , I
came with the necessity of doing somethig about plugins in
middle of
the deployment of spanish patched 0.10-stable Trac in our
University
servers.

As i18n and l10n is planned in 0.12 release and most plugins
are still
cooked against clearsilver stuff, I wanted to have WebAdmin
and
AccountManagerPlugin translated to spanish for student's use
so I
decided to translate them.

As Trac-Hacks was down during translation efforts, I hosted
the
modified plugins in our local server.

By doing so I modified setup.py in both of them to something
like
this:

{{{
PACKAGE = 'TracWebAdminSpanish'
VERSION = '0.1.2.p1'
...
setup(
    name=PACKAGE, version=VERSION,
    description='Interfaz web para la administración de
Trac',
    author="Edgewall Software, Johans Marvin Taboada
Villca",
author_email="infoedgewall.com, jmt4b04d4v...com",
    license='BSD', url='http://www.e
xample.org/trac/myproj/wiki/
WebAdminSpanish',
}}}

That is, changed package in translated WebAdmin and changed
dependency
in AccountManagerPlugin (which alse changed package name),
changed
description, added to author's entry and to author_email's
entry,
changed url.

Mi questions now are:

  * Is it ok to add me to author's info according to license
and
copyright?
  * Is it ok to change url info to point to where I
maintain
translated plugin? (In this case I suppose yes)

Main sources where only translated, not addded any copyright
(which I
don't deserve).

I really want to clarify this issues before contributing
translated
plugins and references to htt
p://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracSpanishTranslation

I suposse that translation of plugins will be socialized
after 0.12
development starts or at least when i18n branch gets merged
to trunk.

Any strategy about doing translation of plugins in
Trac-Hacks? Or this
will wait to 0.12 where translation will be part of the same
plugin.

Cheers,
--------------------------------------------------------
Johans Marvin Taboada Villca    -`^_^´- .o0O( 2007-04-24,
Bienvenida
Bebecita )
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Hi, bugging you again,

>   * Is it ok to add me to author's info according to
license and
> copyright?
>   * Is it ok to change url info to point to where I
maintain
> translated plugin? (In this case I suppose yes)
>
> Main sources where only translated, not addded any
copyright (which I
> don't deserve).

Any response? Matthew Good? (AccountManager's author), Trac
Team?
(WebAdmin maintainers).

> I really want to clarify this issues before
contributing translated
> plugins and references to htt
p://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracSpanishTranslation

Re-clarifying again, I'm not looking for atributtion, but
as
Translations are hosted outside Trac-Hacks, I'm willing to
point url,
and email, elsewhere.

If more appropiate, I can contribute them to Trac-Hacks.

Best regards,
--------------------------------------------------------
Johans Marvin Taboada Villca    -`^_^´- .o0O( 2007-04-24,
Bienvenida
Bebecita )
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jmt4b04d4v kirjoitti:
> Hi, bugging you again,

You're welcome.

>>   * Is it ok to add me to author's info according
to license and
>> copyright?

In most cases you credit original author(s), preferably
retaining as it is.

>>   * Is it ok to change url info to point to where I
maintain
>> translated plugin? (In this case I suppose yes)

Usually I've seen (and used) some thing like:
"Translated plugin maintained at www.example.com by
John Doe 
(j.doeexample.com). Original <original info here as it
is>"

>> Main sources where only translated, not addded any
copyright (which I
>> don't deserve).

Technically you own copyright for translation... But that's
just 
nitpicking. Keep crediting yourself, makes you feel good


>> I really want to clarify this issues before
contributing translated
>> plugins and references to htt
p://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracSpanishTranslation
> 
> Re-clarifying again, I'm not looking for atributtion,
but as
> Translations are hosted outside Trac-Hacks, I'm willing
to point url,
> and email, elsewhere.
> 
> If more appropiate, I can contribute them to
Trac-Hacks.

It really doesn't matter where they are contributed, just to
have them 
available for people who want's to install them is nice.

Even more worse for translations is that 0.10 uses
clearsilver, 0.11 
uses genshi (but supports cs) plan is to drop cs support for
0.12...

Another thing to note is that WebAdmin plugin is actually
integrated for 
0.11 in core (not a plugin anymore), and many seems to be
already 
running on 0.11dev due the... um... rather long delay in
release.

HTH.

-- 

Jani Tiainen

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Thanks for quick response

On 22 oct, 07:30, Jani Tiainen <rede...gmail.com> wrote:
> >>   * Is it ok to add me to author's info
according to license and
> >> copyright?
>
> In most cases you credit original author(s), preferably
retaining as it is.

OK, then I'll only change description section of plugin
info.

> >>   * Is it ok to change url info to point to
where I maintain
> >> translated plugin? (In this case I suppose
yes)
>
> Usually I've seen (and used) some thing like:
> "Translated plugin maintained atwww.example.comby
John Doe
> (j....example.com). Original <original info here as it
is>"

Nice, I'll borrow this

> It really doesn't matter where they are contributed,
just to have them
> available for people who want's to install them is
nice.

Cooked eggs against Python 2.4.x will be attached in
htt
p://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TracSpanishTranslation with
proper
references where is maintained.

> Even more worse for translations is that 0.10 uses
clearsilver, 0.11
> uses genshi (but supports cs) plan is to drop cs
support for 0.12...

Yes I knew, it was only a legacy effort as I still run
0.10.x
infraestructure (plugins, plugins)

> Another thing to note is that WebAdmin plugin is
actually integrated for
> 0.11 in core (not a plugin anymore), and many seems to
be already
> running on 0.11dev due the... um... rather long delay
in release.

Yep, from now on (I think that I don't need anything else
translated)
I'm going to push my efforts in i18n branch

Best regards,
--------------------------------------------------------
Johans Marvin Taboada Villca    -`^_^´- .o0O( 2007-04-24,
Bienvenida
Bebecita )
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