Admin interface complete rebuild

On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 17:14 +0200, Frederic de Villamil
wrote:
> 
> I've already started to re think the whole stuff from
scratch, but I'm 
> really looking forward your ideas.
> 

Would a WYSIWYG post editor be out of the question?

-Wade

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On Jul 20, 2006, at 8:52 AM, Wade Menard wrote:

> Would a WYSIWYG post editor be out of the question?
>
> -Wade


...and thus we continue to grow farther and farther away
from the  
simple blog engine that could.


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Robby Russell wrote:
> On Jul 20, 2006, at 8:52 AM, Wade Menard wrote:
>
>   
>> Would a WYSIWYG post editor be out of the question?
>>
>> -Wade
>>     
>
>
> ...and thus we continue to grow farther and farther
away from the  
> simple blog engine that could.
>
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On 20 Jul 2006, at 18:50, Robby Russell wrote:

> ...and thus we continue to grow farther and farther
away from the
> simple blog engine that could.

I'd love to see a plugin architecture so those of use who
were  
attracted to the lean and speedy aspects in the beginning
don't have  
to bulk up on 'functionality'.  Added features draws users
though it  
has to be said.

If I ever get the time after 4.0 and when life calms down,
I'm going  
to look at ripping out the excess from a copy to see how
light it can  
go.  I mean I don't even own an xbox ;)

I've been busy, but a belated 'Woo hoo' for the speed
improvements  
Scott.

Gary
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On 7/20/06, Gary Shewan <gpsnospamgmail.com> wrote:

> I'd love to see a plugin architecture so those of use
who were
> attracted to the lean and speedy aspects in the
beginning don't have
> to bulk up on 'functionality'.  Added features draws
users though it
> has to be said.

I have mixed feelings on this.  On one hand, Typo's pretty
clearly
over-complex, at least in some areas.  On the other hand,
most of the
really painful complexity in Typo has to do with plugin
frameworks
:-(.

Fortunately, a lot of the pain that we've went through
lately should
pay off once we ship 4.0, because we can start removing old
cruft.
Pier's blog_id code will let us get rid of a ton of
special-case code
that lurks in the text filter framework.  The whole text
filter and
sidebar frameworks need to be rewritten to use Rails's
native plugin
support.  It won't be a big change for the plugins
themselves, but
we'll be able to dump a lot of complex (and slow!)
infrastructure
code.  It'll be *really* nice to get rid of components.

A side effect of this is that we'll be able to dump quite a
few of the
sidebars in the trunk out into their own packages. 
Presumably we'll
be able to make something like 'rapt install
typo41-sidebar-xbox' work
seamlessly, although I haven't played with any of the Rails
plugin
tools enough yet.

We can also prune the size of our tree back quite a
bit--there's a lot
of stuff in vendor/ that we can delete and replace with .gem
requirements eventually.

> If I ever get the time after 4.0 and when life calms
down, I'm going
> to look at ripping out the excess from a copy to see
how light it can
> go.  I mean I don't even own an xbox ;)
>
> I've been busy, but a belated 'Woo hoo' for the
speed improvements
> Scott.

Thanks.


Scott
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Scott Laird wrote:
> I have mixed feelings on this. On one hand, Typo's
pretty clearly
> over-complex, at least in some areas.  On the other
hand, most of the
> really painful complexity in Typo has to do with plugin
frameworks
>   

Well, that's always the way. Just today I was modifying
another CMS at 
work, and realized just how tiny and simple it was compared
to the 
behemoth I had borrowed a lot of the code from. The secret,
of course, 
is that the new tiny system only had to please me, wheres
the behemoth 
was built to be configurable to the ever-changing whims of a
wider user 
population.

I do feel, though, that you should either stabilize and
document the 
plugin frameworks, or rip them out. At the moment, nobody
uses them 
because it's an undocumented moving target, but you have
all that 
complexity there anyway. I say either lose the complexity,
or document 
and stabilize it so people will use it and you'll get some
actual 
benefit from having it there.

> The whole text filter and
> sidebar frameworks need to be rewritten to use Rails's
native plugin
> support.

Oh. *sigh*.


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On Friday 21 July 2006 01:52, Wade Menard wrote:
> On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 17:14 +0200, Frederic de Villamil
wrote:
> > I've already started to re think the whole stuff
from scratch, but I'm
> > really looking forward your ideas.
>
> Would a WYSIWYG post editor be out of the question?

Can you not use an external application with WYSIWYG
support, to post to the 
blog?  That's what the API is for, after all.  Might as
well throw away the 
API if nobody uses it.

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On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 10:10 +1000, Trejkaz wrote:
> Can you not use an external application with WYSIWYG
support, to post to the 
> blog?  That's what the API is for, after all.  Might
as well throw away the 
> API if nobody uses it.

A writer is not always at home or at a place where they can
use a
desktop client when they want to post something, but are
always near a
web browser. It is really frustrating to use the interface
as it is now,
having to do <p>'s and <br>'s or whatever
manually. It's not beyond my
abilities but it's the last thing I want to deal with when
composing an
article. I might as well be inserting the entry with
phpMyAdmin.

-Wade


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On 7/20/06, Wade Menard <wadeezri.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-07-21 at 10:10 +1000, Trejkaz wrote:
> > Can you not use an external application with
WYSIWYG support, to post to the
> > blog?  That's what the API is for, after all. 
Might as well throw away the
> > API if nobody uses it.
>
> A writer is not always at home or at a place where they
can use a
> desktop client when they want to post something, but
are always near a
> web browser. It is really frustrating to use the
interface as it is now,
> having to do <p>'s and <br>'s or whatever
manually. It's not beyond my
> abilities but it's the last thing I want to deal with
when composing an
> article. I might as well be inserting the entry with
phpMyAdmin.

Frankly, if you're inserting <p> and <br> by
hand, then you're using
the wrong text filter.


Scott
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On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 17:33 -0700, Scott Laird wrote:
> Frankly, if you're inserting <p> and <br>
by hand, then you're using
> the wrong text filter.

Indeed I was. :blush:

Maybe their effects should be made a bit more clear in
setup.

-Wade

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