Spam control again

Would anyone be awfully upset if I removed the DNS blacklist
based
spam checking for the time being? I want to try and
pluginize the
various spam detectors so that it's easier to configure the
sort of
thing you want (and probably to configure the default
published state,
etc). 

The problem I have with the RBL stuff is that DNS lookups
can take an
age, and we're really not remotely threadsafe at this point,
so it's
not something that can really be backgrounded that
effectively.

Once I've got the plugin approach sorted, it shouldn't be
too hard to
add RBL checking back in or to write a *spit* CAPTCHA
system.

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On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:34 AM, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Would anyone be awfully upset if I removed the DNS
blacklist based
> spam checking for the time being? I want to try and
pluginize the
> various spam detectors so that it's easier to configure
the sort of
> thing you want (and probably to configure the default
published state,
> etc).

I'd say don't break what's working until you have a
replacement that  
works at least as well.  That's what SVN branches are for.

> The problem I have with the RBL stuff is that DNS
lookups can take an
> age, and we're really not remotely threadsafe at this
point, so it's
> not something that can really be backgrounded that
effectively.

Have you looked into using BackgrounDRb to do run the long
tasks?   
You could easily run a worker to do the DNS lookup and
complete the  
posting in a separate process.  That might be good to
incorporate  
into the Akismet check too, since that can take a long time
as well.

> Once I've got the plugin approach sorted, it shouldn't
be too hard to
> add RBL checking back in or to write a *spit* CAPTCHA
system.

KittenAuth!  http://www.kittenauth.com/


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Josh Susser <joshhasmanythrough.com> writes:

> On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:34 AM, Piers Cawley wrote:
>> Would anyone be awfully upset if I removed the DNS
blacklist based
>> spam checking for the time being? I want to try and
pluginize the
>> various spam detectors so that it's easier to
configure the sort of
>> thing you want (and probably to configure the
default published state,
>> etc).
>
> I'd say don't break what's working until you have a
replacement that  
> works at least as well.  That's what SVN branches are
for.
>
>> The problem I have with the RBL stuff is that DNS
lookups can take an
>> age, and we're really not remotely threadsafe at
this point, so it's
>> not something that can really be backgrounded that
effectively.
>
> Have you looked into using BackgrounDRb to do run the
long tasks?   

The problem with that is that hosting companies are
generally not
overly keen on long running processes that *aren't* fcgi
processes. At
least, mine isn't and, as I'm sure you all realise, that's
what's
important. 

I suppose one approach is to trigger spam classification as
an admin
action and just any new messages into an authorization
queue.

> You could easily run a worker to do the DNS lookup and
complete the  
> posting in a separate process.  That might be good to
incorporate  
> into the Akismet check too, since that can take a long
time as well.
>
>> Once I've got the plugin approach sorted, it
shouldn't be too hard to
>> add RBL checking back in or to write a *spit*
CAPTCHA system.
>
> KittenAuth!  http://www.kittenauth.com/


Evil!

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It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.  IMHO, most of the
Typo spam
filtering code is kind of nasty right now, but I didn't want
to make
big changes right before 4.0 came out.  Go for it.

I've been working on fixing our Trac problem, but work has
completely
eaten the last week of my life.  Hopefully I'll be able to
make more
progress in the next few days.


Scott

On 10/19/06, Piers Cawley <pdcawleybofh.org.uk> wrote:
> Would anyone be awfully upset if I removed the DNS
blacklist based
> spam checking for the time being? I want to try and
pluginize the
> various spam detectors so that it's easier to configure
the sort of
> thing you want (and probably to configure the default
published state,
> etc).
>
> The problem I have with the RBL stuff is that DNS
lookups can take an
> age, and we're really not remotely threadsafe at this
point, so it's
> not something that can really be backgrounded that
effectively.
>
> Once I've got the plugin approach sorted, it shouldn't
be too hard to
> add RBL checking back in or to write a *spit* CAPTCHA
system.
>
> --
> Piers Cawley <pdcawleybofh.org.uk>
> http://www.bofh.org.uk/
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"Scott Laird" <scottsigkill.org> writes:

> It wouldn't bother me in the slightest.  IMHO, most of
the Typo spam
> filtering code is kind of nasty right now, but I didn't
want to make
> big changes right before 4.0 came out.  Go for it.

Good oh.

> I've been working on fixing our Trac problem, but work
has completely
> eaten the last week of my life.  Hopefully I'll be able
to make more
> progress in the next few days.

Cool.

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