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Re: Re: The CWS python25 Will be setted " ready for QA "
user name
2007-04-13 07:11:53
Hi Laurent,

Laurent Godard wrote:
> Hi Peter
> 
> Thanks a lot for this detailed status
> 
>>
>> This requirement i not fulfilled from my point of
view. As far as I
>> understand the discussion, MAC OS X build fails.
>>
> 
> Right
> This Mac issue has blocked the process
> as the discussion went on delivering python or not
within OOo on MacOs
> and was stalled for us (i do not read every mac irc
discussion logs)
> 
> things are evolving thanks to your IRC intervention

That was my idea. I am still not sure if the MAC version
still blocks
the CWS. Do we have to wait for Joergs fix?
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=76281


> 
>>> * Issues submitted by developers must provide a
test case
>>> to ensure appropriate verification.
>>
>> There's no 'how-to test' provided.
>>
> 
> mail merge tests could be used as written in python

That's OK.
> 
> the developper knows what he modified and should be
able to identify
> functional parts that has to be covered

liyuan: I guess this is for you. Or am I wrong?

> 
>>> * All issues must have the status
'Resolved/Fixed'
>>
>> Not the case.
>>
> 
> yes

Only one issue. Only of formal character.

> 
>>> * All issues must be assigned to a QA members
(except those only
>>> developers can verify)
>>
>> Not the case.
>>
> 
> who has to be assigned there in IZ ? I may call for
volunteers

I will be the right owner (when checklist requirements are
met). Because
testing effort has to split I think I will have to create
some child
issues for specific tasks.

> 
>>> as i understand the situation, we lack a QA
representative dealing with
>>> the various plateform building and check
>>
>> Please spare both of us this polemic irony.
> 
> I'm really sorry, it was not my intention !!! Please
forgive me

. No
problem anymore. I have lots of understanding -especially
for
single contributers- that they are not always happy with the
OOo
progress all of the time. Same with me.
I hope I was not too harsh too. Your mail was one of the
first things
that hit me in the morning after being late in the office
due to Beijing
traffic jam.

> 
> 
>> with you making some 'need to clarify' statements.
And now you're
>> blaming me for the project getting stalled?
>>
> 
> Reall sorry Peter, this was not my intention
> I'm the first to blame not following this point :(
> 
> For me the problem, after the macos one, was that no
builder was
> available for generating testing binaries on many
plateform
> Linux, Windows, Solaris and mac (being optional here,
as not finished
> yet). I thought proposing doing a fisrt step job for
windows and linux
> plateform

Ah, now I see MAC OS is an option. I always though it's one
of the
special scopes for this CWS. That makes my above remark
concerning the
IRC chat obsolete. I just leave there, because it's still
interesting
for ongoing discussion. OK, we can proceed with the CWS and
file another
issue against MAC OS porting project. BTW, are you a member
of the MAC
port? If not, that may have been my major misconception.

The CWS process only requires testing on Windows and one
other platform
out of Linux, Solaris Sparc or Solaris x86. But, we might
have a special
case here, because of the involvement of Python being a
third party
product. Maybe Joerg or some other experienced developer
reading this
(hope they hadn't give up due to length ) can give
some insight here.

> 
>> Some information about the role of the QA
representative:
>> - QA Rep. is not in charge to build the source
>>   (This would be even against the idea of the CWS
process)
> 
> This is where i was wrong and I'm really sorry
> ho is in charge of building on many plateforms ?

Here in Beijing we can do Windows and Linux, which (see
above) might be
enough. I know only Sun in Hamburg that could build Solaris
if needed. I
can ask somebody there. I've been working for more than five
years with
them.

> 
>> - QA Rep. organizes the QA effort of a CWS
>> - QA Rep. doesn't organize the whole CWS process
>> - QA Rep. is not necessarily in charge of doing all
the testing
>>
> 
> So thanks for pointing the QA missing points

No problem, my job.

> 
> Do you think once ready for QA we should post on QA
list for calling
> volunteers ?

I first wait for replies on this mail. I can take care about
this later.

> 
>> For the last item, this is even not possible for
me. Because I have no
>> MAC available. I will ask Jogi from Sun in Hamburg
to do this part.
>> (BCCed him.)
>>
> 
> Ok ! We may find also other volunteers on mac platform
> what about solaris ?

As stated above, depends on Windows + Linux testing
sufficient to get
the job done.

> 
> Once again peter, please forgive me for my
misunderstandable words
> I really hope things are clear now

Yes. Do you join OOoCon in Barcelona? I hope my company
sends me. Maybe
we could meet there.

> 
> liyuan : please look at comment in the issue about
deprecation. only a
> suggestion

Good idea.

> 
> once all is ok (tinderbox do not show any build error
on this cws ?),
> peter let us know what action you need at QA level
(find ressources aso
> ...) - maybe on QA list ?

We'll see next weeks. Hopefully there'll be some more
replies then.

Best regards
Peter

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Re: Re: The CWS python25 Will be setted " ready for QA "
user name
2007-04-13 16:31:39
Hi,

liyuan: I would try 3 ways to proceed with macos-x.

* put a mail on the porting list to find a volunteer to work
on the mac 
port of this cws
* put a mail on the porting list, maybe there is someone who
let you 
access a mac machine with an ooo build env and do the port
yourself.
* If you can't find anyone to do the port, I prefer not to
let other 
platforms suffer because of a single one, then you should
rearrange the 
makefiles in such a way, that macosx is built with python
2.3 while the 
rest is built with 2.5.

Bye,

Joerg

Peter Junge wrote:
> Hi Laurent,
> 
> Laurent Godard wrote:
> 
>>Hi Peter
>>
>>Thanks a lot for this detailed status
>>
>>
>>>This requirement i not fulfilled from my point
of view. As far as I
>>>understand the discussion, MAC OS X build
fails.
>>>
>>
>>Right
>>This Mac issue has blocked the process
>>as the discussion went on delivering python or not
within OOo on MacOs
>>and was stalled for us (i do not read every mac irc
discussion logs)
>>
>>things are evolving thanks to your IRC intervention
> 
> 
> That was my idea. I am still not sure if the MAC
version still blocks
> the CWS. Do we have to wait for Joergs fix?
> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=76281

> 
> 
>>>>* Issues submitted by developers must
provide a test case
>>>>to ensure appropriate verification.
>>>
>>>There's no 'how-to test' provided.
>>>
>>
>>mail merge tests could be used as written in python
> 
> 
> That's OK.
> 
>>the developper knows what he modified and should be
able to identify
>>functional parts that has to be covered
> 
> 
> liyuan: I guess this is for you. Or am I wrong?
> 
> 
>>>>* All issues must have the status
'Resolved/Fixed'
>>>
>>>Not the case.
>>>
>>
>>yes
> 
> 
> Only one issue. Only of formal character.
> 
> 
>>>>* All issues must be assigned to a QA
members (except those only
>>>>developers can verify)
>>>
>>>Not the case.
>>>
>>
>>who has to be assigned there in IZ ? I may call for
volunteers
> 
> 
> I will be the right owner (when checklist requirements
are met). Because
> testing effort has to split I think I will have to
create some child
> issues for specific tasks.
> 
> 
>>>>as i understand the situation, we lack a QA
representative dealing with
>>>>the various plateform building and check
>>>
>>>Please spare both of us this polemic irony.
>>
>>I'm really sorry, it was not my intention !!! Please
forgive me
> 
> 
> .
No problem anymore. I have lots of understanding -especially
for
> single contributers- that they are not always happy
with the OOo
> progress all of the time. Same with me.
> I hope I was not too harsh too. Your mail was one of
the first things
> that hit me in the morning after being late in the
office due to Beijing
> traffic jam.
> 
> 
>>
>>>with you making some 'need to clarify'
statements. And now you're
>>>blaming me for the project getting stalled?
>>>
>>
>>Reall sorry Peter, this was not my intention
>>I'm the first to blame not following this point :(
>>
>>For me the problem, after the macos one, was that no
builder was
>>available for generating testing binaries on many
plateform
>>Linux, Windows, Solaris and mac (being optional
here, as not finished
>>yet). I thought proposing doing a fisrt step job for
windows and linux
>>plateform
> 
> 
> Ah, now I see MAC OS is an option. I always though it's
one of the
> special scopes for this CWS. That makes my above remark
concerning the
> IRC chat obsolete. I just leave there, because it's
still interesting
> for ongoing discussion. OK, we can proceed with the CWS
and file another
> issue against MAC OS porting project. BTW, are you a
member of the MAC
> port? If not, that may have been my major
misconception.
> 
> The CWS process only requires testing on Windows and
one other platform
> out of Linux, Solaris Sparc or Solaris x86. But, we
might have a special
> case here, because of the involvement of Python being a
third party
> product. Maybe Joerg or some other experienced
developer reading this
> (hope they hadn't give up due to length ) can give
some insight here.
> 
> 
>>>Some information about the role of the QA
representative:
>>>- QA Rep. is not in charge to build the source
>>>  (This would be even against the idea of the
CWS process)
>>
>>This is where i was wrong and I'm really sorry
>>ho is in charge of building on many plateforms ?
> 
> 
> Here in Beijing we can do Windows and Linux, which (see
above) might be
> enough. I know only Sun in Hamburg that could build
Solaris if needed. I
> can ask somebody there. I've been working for more than
five years with
> them.
> 
> 
>>>- QA Rep. organizes the QA effort of a CWS
>>>- QA Rep. doesn't organize the whole CWS
process
>>>- QA Rep. is not necessarily in charge of doing
all the testing
>>>
>>
>>So thanks for pointing the QA missing points
> 
> 
> No problem, my job.
> 
> 
>>Do you think once ready for QA we should post on QA
list for calling
>>volunteers ?
> 
> 
> I first wait for replies on this mail. I can take care
about this later.
> 
> 
>>>For the last item, this is even not possible for
me. Because I have no
>>>MAC available. I will ask Jogi from Sun in
Hamburg to do this part.
>>>(BCCed him.)
>>>
>>
>>Ok ! We may find also other volunteers on mac
platform
>>what about solaris ?
> 
> 
> As stated above, depends on Windows + Linux testing
sufficient to get
> the job done.
> 
> 
>>Once again peter, please forgive me for my
misunderstandable words
>>I really hope things are clear now
> 
> 
> Yes. Do you join OOoCon in Barcelona? I hope my company
sends me. Maybe
> we could meet there.
> 
> 
>>liyuan : please look at comment in the issue about
deprecation. only a
>>suggestion
> 
> 
> Good idea.
> 
> 
>>once all is ok (tinderbox do not show any build
error on this cws ?),
>>peter let us know what action you need at QA level
(find ressources aso
>>...) - maybe on QA list ?
> 
> 
> We'll see next weeks. Hopefully there'll be some more
replies then.
> 
> Best regards
> Peter
> 


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