The Ubuntu Backup Team

Hello Everybody!

  As some of you might have already noticed, there is a
back-up program 
available from universe called 'HUBackup'. This program is
part of 
recent efforts to make data preservation more nicely
integrated into the 
desktop, such that even our parents or children are able to
preserve 
their precious homework, important documents, personal
settings, media 
content and computer configuration.

   Making HUBackup a rocking desktop backup solution is only
the first 
goal. I would like us to reach the next level: providing
rock solid, 
tightly integrated and complete system disaster recovery
solution, 
suitable both to desktop /and/ server users. There should
not be 
scattered scripts, spread configuration files, complex
command line 
arguments to remember and no one standard system that makes
it hard to 
provide support.

To track, manage and compliment the these efforts we have
created the 
Ubuntu Backup Team[1]. This team will be responsible for:

  * Active development of hubackup[2]
  * bug triage and fixing[3].
  * Exploring related technologies, leverage them for our
purposes.
  * Keep excellent contact with the community to make sure
needs are 
answered.
  * Communicate our efforts outside Ubuntu, making sure
others are able 
to reuse them to their benefit and joy[4].

As creating rocking backup solutions involves alot of
different 
technologies, care, thought and testing we need as many as
working hands 
we can get. Especially so as we would like to be to
accomplish the first 
goal for Feisty Fawn. I'd like to invite anybody interested
to drop me 
or Mario Danic (pygi  freenode) a line on either #ubuntu-devel
or 
#ubuntu-desktop IRC channels over freenode and start
contributing. Help 
us on our journey to a safer tomorrow!

Thanks alot for your attention and see you there,

Sivan


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[1]: https://la
unchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backup
[2]: https://wiki.u
buntu.com/HomeUserBackup
[3]: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hubackup
/+bugs
[4]: Making sure Edubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu benefit from the
efforts, and 
upstream projects.


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Sivan Greenberg wrote:
> Hello Everybody!
> 
>   As some of you might have already noticed, there is a
back-up program 
> available from universe called 'HUBackup'. This program
is part of 
> recent efforts to make data preservation more nicely
integrated into the 
> desktop, such that even our parents or children are
able to preserve 
> their precious homework, important documents, personal
settings, media 
> content and computer configuration.

Thanks for the announcement. Can this following spec be
relevant for
your group at all? I am guessing it is beyond your goals,
but still
wanted to ask 

spec: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/
+spec/system-restore

Thanks 
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Hey,

first of all, I'd like to thank for your interest in

> Thanks for the announcement. Can this following spec be
relevant for
> your group at all? I am guessing it is beyond your
goals, but still
> wanted to ask 

The thing is that the features set, design and
implementation ideas
past feisty currently exist only in my and Sivan's head. As
noted in
announcement different levels of system recovery are surely
part of
our goal as well. We've got some very nice ideas for the
future, and
we'll make sure to talk with everyone interested whetever
our ideas
are in "par" with your visions and needs.
Community matters.

Kind regards,
Mario

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On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 00:40 +0200, Sivan Greenberg wrote:
> Hello Everybody!
> 
>   As some of you might have already noticed, there is a
back-up program 
> available from universe called 'HUBackup'. This program
is part of 
> recent efforts to make data preservation more nicely
integrated into the 
> desktop, such that even our parents or children are
able to preserve 
> their precious homework, important documents, personal
settings, media 
> content and computer configuration.
> 
>    Making HUBackup a rocking desktop backup solution is
only the first 
> goal. I would like us to reach the next level:
providing rock solid, 
> tightly integrated and complete system disaster
recovery solution, 
> suitable both to desktop /and/ server users. There
should not be 
> scattered scripts, spread configuration files, complex
command line 
> arguments to remember and no one standard system that
makes it hard to 
> provide support.
> 
> To track, manage and compliment the these efforts we
have created the 
> Ubuntu Backup Team[1]. This team will be responsible
for:
> 
>   * Active development of hubackup[2]
>   * bug triage and fixing[3].
>   * Exploring related technologies, leverage them for
our purposes.

I would recommend also to take a look on MacOSX "The
time machine"
backup system: 
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html
to get some ideas of ideal backup solution.

>   * Keep excellent contact with the community to make
sure needs are 
> answered.
>   * Communicate our efforts outside Ubuntu, making sure
others are able 
> to reuse them to their benefit and joy[4].
> 
> As creating rocking backup solutions involves alot of
different 
> technologies, care, thought and testing we need as many
as working hands 
> we can get. Especially so as we would like to be to
accomplish the first 
> goal for Feisty Fawn. I'd like to invite anybody
interested to drop me 
> or Mario Danic (pygi  freenode) a line on either
#ubuntu-devel or 
> #ubuntu-desktop IRC channels over freenode and start
contributing. Help 
> us on our journey to a safer tomorrow!
> 
> Thanks alot for your attention and see you there,
> 
> Sivan
> 
> 
> ---
> [1]: https://la
unchpad.net/people/ubuntu-backup
> [2]: https://wiki.u
buntu.com/HomeUserBackup
> [3]: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/hubackup
/+bugs
> [4]: Making sure Edubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu benefit from
the efforts, and 
> upstream projects.
> 
> 
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Hi Erast!

Erast Benson wrote:
> I would recommend also to take a look on MacOSX
"The time machine"
> backup system: 
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html
> to get some ideas of ideal backup solution.
> 

Some time ago I played with using bzr to be able to go back
and forth on 
revisions of system configuration files and data. We could
through a UI 
on top of it to enable users to actively mark restore points
, or use 
some hook such that it would be configurable to have bzr
take automatic 
snapshots of system areas before dist-upgrades, problematic
package 
installs, running community scripts etc.

Sivan

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On 11/6/06, Sivan Greenberg <sivanubuntu.com> wrote:
> Hi Erast!
>
> Erast Benson wrote:
> > I would recommend also to take a look on MacOSX
"The time machine"
> > backup system: 
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html
> > to get some ideas of ideal backup solution.
> >
>
> Some time ago I played with using bzr to be able to go
back and forth on
> revisions of system configuration files and data. We
could through a UI
> on top of it to enable users to actively mark restore
points , or use
> some hook such that it would be configurable to have
bzr take automatic
> snapshots of system areas before dist-upgrades,
problematic package
> installs, running community scripts etc.
>
> Sivan
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Something I thought of whilst using hubackup today.
It could do with a way of showing the user what file it is
backing up
at the moment, and how long is left.  I noticed that you can
see what
file is being added to the archive if you use it via the
terminal, but
something like an "Advanced" screen would be
helpful.

Chris

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Hi Chris!

Chris Budden wrote:
>
> Something I thought of whilst using hubackup today.
> It could do with a way of showing the user what file it
is backing up

This should actually be apparent on the hubackup UI,
although could use 
some improvements as when the file name is too long it will
get cut to 
the right of the text label used to show which file is being
worked on 
at a given moment.

 > at the moment, and how long is left.  I noticed that
you can see what
 > file is being added to the archive if you use it via
the terminal, but
 > something like an "Advanced" screen would be
helpful.

I have planned for this since I begun implementing hubackup
- but I 
decided to drop it out since making a user wait for scanning
the source 
location and it's sub folders seems just unfair, would you
be willing to 
sacrifice the time that would be required in order to scan
the source 
path (remember it might be even your entire home) just to be
able to see 
how many files are left?

Sivan

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