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Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
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2006-11-29 08:56:40
On 11/29/06, t u <towsonu2003gmail.com> wrote:
http://en.wi
kinews.org/wiki/Kurdish_operating_system_under_investigation
_by_Turkish_attorney_general
>
> I was going to send this to ubuntu-devel, but I somehow
overcame the
> desire to do so...
>
> PS. I am Turkish, and I am truly ashamed by this...

Why?  Is there some other `negative' context in this
`investigation'?
I've read that the attorney general is investigating on the
`mayor of
Sur and on Ubuntu;' are you insinuating that there has been
some sort
of illegal action taken by the mayor?

Cheers,

Zakame

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Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
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2006-11-29 09:16:34
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:56:40 +0800
"Zak B. Elep" <zakameubuntu.com> wrote:

> On 11/29/06, t u <towsonu2003gmail.com> wrote:
> http://en.wi
kinews.org/wiki/Kurdish_operating_system_under_investigation
_by_Turkish_attorney_general
> >
> > I was going to send this to ubuntu-devel, but I
somehow overcame the
> > desire to do so...
> >
> > PS. I am Turkish, and I am truly ashamed by
this...
> 
> Why?  Is there some other `negative' context in this
`investigation'?
> I've read that the attorney general is investigating on
the `mayor of
> Sur and on Ubuntu;' are you insinuating that there has
been some sort
> of illegal action taken by the mayor?

Turkish policy on Kurdish language:

http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~siamakr/Kurd
ish/KURDICA/1999/JUL/policy.html
 

I think we can assume that the Turkish government takes a
dim view of such
efforts. judging by the above link.

Also see
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/worl
d/war/kurdistan-turkey.htm


The definition of Ubuntu is perhaps lost on them.

Peter

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Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
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2006-11-29 09:59:20


On 29/11/06, Peter Garrett < peter.garrettoptusnet.com.au">peter.garrettoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:56:40 +0800
&quot;Zak B. Elep" < zakameubuntu.com">zakameubuntu.com> wrote:

&gt; On 11/29/06, t u < towsonu2003gmail.com">towsonu2003gmail.com > wrote:
>; http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Kurdish_operating_system_under_investigation_by_Turkish_attorney_general
> >
> > I was going to send this to ubuntu-devel, but I somehow overcame the
> > desire to do so...
> >
> > PS. I am Turkish, and I am truly ashamed by this...
&gt;
> Why?  Is there some other `negative' context in this `investigation'?
> I've read that the attorney general is investigating on the `mayor of
> Sur and on Ubuntu;' are you insinuating that there has been some sort
> of illegal action taken by the mayor?

Turkish policy on Kurdish language:

http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~siamakr/Kurdish/KURDICA/1999/JUL/policy.html


I think we can assume that the Turkish government takes a dim view of such
efforts. judging by the above link.

Also see
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/kurdistan-turkey.htm


The definition of Ubuntu is perhaps lost on them.

Whoa.... that's some nasty history
I'd be very interested to see what the official Ubuntu stance is on this, it's a hell of a pickle.



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Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
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2006-11-29 10:14:57
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:59:20 +0800
"Senectus ." <senectusgmail.com> wrote:

> On 29/11/06, Peter Garrett <peter.garrettoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:56:40 +0800
> > "Zak B. Elep" <zakameubuntu.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/29/06, t u <towsonu2003gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > http://en.wi
kinews.org/wiki/Kurdish_operating_system_under_investigation
_by_Turkish_attorney_general
> > > >
> > > > I was going to send this to
ubuntu-devel, but I somehow overcame the
> > > > desire to do so...
> > > >
> > > > PS. I am Turkish, and I am truly ashamed
by this...
> > >
> > > Why?  Is there some other `negative' context
in this `investigation'?
> > > I've read that the attorney general is
investigating on the `mayor of
> > > Sur and on Ubuntu;' are you insinuating that
there has been some sort
> > > of illegal action taken by the mayor?
> >
> > Turkish policy on Kurdish language:
> >
> > http://www.cogsci.ed.ac.uk/~siamakr/Kurd
ish/KURDICA/1999/JUL/policy.html
> >
> >
> > I think we can assume that the Turkish government
takes a dim view of such
> > efforts. judging by the above link.
> >
> > Also see
> > http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/worl
d/war/kurdistan-turkey.htm
> >
> >
> > The definition of Ubuntu is perhaps lost on them.
> 
> 
> Whoa.... that's some nasty history
> I'd be very interested to see what the official Ubuntu
stance is on this,
> it's a hell of a pickle.

I've been Googling a bit. It appears that there is
*supposed*  to be a
change of policy in Turkey regarding Kurdish language - it
would help to
know specifics about the "investigation" mentioned
in the O.P.

The quote below is from

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/humanrights/publi
cations/rn/rn_2006_3.htm

which appears to be dated this year:

" The process proves to be extremely challenging and
unpredictable. Take
the example of language rights, which were recently granted
to the Kurdish
minority. While falling far short of international standards
and
insufficient to meet the demands of many Kurds for education
in their
mother tongue, the enactment of a law that allows private
courses to teach
Kurdish is a significant step forward in a country where the
utterance of
a Kurdish word in public was prohibited until 1991. Yet this
elementary
move of granting Kurds limited cultural rights has faced a
strong
resistance by bureaucrats who use imaginative ways to wield
their power to
curtail the fulfilment of these rights. While the extent of
the
government's commitment to recognize, respect and protect
minority
cultures is debatable in the absence of an express
commitment towards that
end, the boldness of the Kurdish language law is irrefutable
in light of
previous state policies, which were based on homogenizing
minority
cultures."

Peter

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Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
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2006-11-29 10:29:35
Just thought I'd add a little bit to this thread; see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kurdish_lands_
92_cropped.jpg

CK

P.S. For the historically-minded, compare with
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~atpc/
maps/poland-1864.jpg
(the current outline of Poland superimposed on a map of
Europe from 1864)

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Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
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2006-11-29 14:26:51
Op woensdag 29-11-2006 om 21:14 uur [tijdzone +1100],
schreef Peter
Garrett:
> I've been Googling a bit. It appears that there is
*supposed*  to be a
> change of policy in Turkey regarding Kurdish language  

AFAIK respect for minorities and their culture is one of the
requirements for Turkey to be considered a candidate member
of the
European Union.

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Ubuntu under investigation by Turkish attorney general
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2006-11-29 17:42:29
Some further background concerning Diyarbakir Sur Mayor
Abdullah Demirbas,
who appears currently to be the target of the Ubuntu
controversy. It
appears that he has been prosecuted before, in relation
to multiculturalism and language issues, under so-called
"terrorism
propaganda" laws. 

He was acquitted at that time.

My reading of the term "Governor-General" in this
case is that the
governor concerned is a regional governor and not a national
one.

[ dateline is The New Anatolian / Ankara
07 June 2006 ]

http://w
ww.thenewanatolian.com/tna-8316.html

Peter

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