Offline Updates

Along Dapper's 3 years of support, it will release updates
for security
and bugfixes.  These updates will be issued through the
dapper-updates
repository.  However, what if one has an offline install
with no
internet connection?  Is there any way to receive these
updates short of
burning the debs to a disk?

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I know at least one person who wanted this functionality
that went ahead 
and used Redhat for their (non-network-connected) forensics
workstation 
instead.  This functionality would have differentiated
Ubuntu from 
Redhat easily for them.

Thanks,

Lukas Sabota wrote:
> Along Dapper's 3 years of support, it will release
updates for security
> and bugfixes.  These updates will be issued through the
dapper-updates
> repository.  However, what if one has an offline
install with no
> internet connection?  Is there any way to receive these
updates short of
> burning the debs to a disk?
> 
> God bless,
> Lukas
> 
> 


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On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 05:06:26PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
> I know at least one person who wanted this
functionality that went ahead 
> and used Redhat for their (non-network-connected)
forensics workstation 
> instead.  This functionality would have differentiated
Ubuntu from 
> Redhat easily for them.

I'm confused.  If Red Hat offers this functionality, then
it would not
differentiate Ubuntu if it also had it.  If Red Hat
doesn't, then why would
he choose it over Ubuntu for this application?

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On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 05:55:45PM -0400, Lukas Sabota
wrote:
> Along Dapper's 3 years of support, it will release
updates for security
> and bugfixes.  These updates will be issued through the
dapper-updates
> repository.  However, what if one has an offline
install with no
> internet connection?  Is there any way to receive these
updates short of
> burning the debs to a disk?

Without a network connection, the updates cannot be
automatically delivered
to your system.  Yes, you would need to put them on
removable media and
physically bring them to the machine.

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On ma, 2006-05-29 at 15:12 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 05:55:45PM -0400, Lukas Sabota
wrote:
> > Along Dapper's 3 years of support, it will
release updates for security
> > and bugfixes.  These updates will be issued
through the dapper-updates
> > repository.  However, what if one has an offline
install with no
> > internet connection?  Is there any way to receive
these updates short of
> > burning the debs to a disk?
> 
> Without a network connection, the updates cannot be
automatically delivered
> to your system.  Yes, you would need to put them on
removable media and
> physically bring them to the machine.

How about X-monthly service pack .iso's containing packages
from
dapper-{security,updates}?
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Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 05:06:26PM -0500, Scott Dier
wrote:
>> I know at least one person who wanted this
functionality that went ahead 
>> and used Redhat for their (non-network-connected)
forensics workstation 
>> instead.  This functionality would have
differentiated Ubuntu from 
>> Redhat easily for them.
> 
> I'm confused.  If Red Hat offers this functionality,
then it would not
> differentiate Ubuntu if it also had it.  If Red Hat
doesn't, then why would
> he choose it over Ubuntu for this application?
> 

They did not have such functionality anymore (they did at
one point) but 
the reason he was more focused on rh or fedora was that most
of the 
'security' community writes their 'howto' information
based on fedora or 
rh.  If it was easier to pull updates and dependencies with
Ubuntu from 
a update CD he was willing to figure out how to make things
work with 
Ubuntu.  Its not crazy, the guy is a netbsd bigot for the
most part, so 
reworking directions for another linux distribution seems to
me to be 
light work compared to trying to get all of the apps he
wanted running 
under netbsd. 

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Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> On ma, 2006-05-29 at 15:12 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
>> On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 05:55:45PM -0400, Lukas
Sabota wrote:
>>> Along Dapper's 3 years of support, it will
release updates for security
>>> and bugfixes.  These updates will be issued
through the dapper-updates
>>> repository.  However, what if one has an
offline install with no
>>> internet connection?  Is there any way to
receive these updates short of
>>> burning the debs to a disk?
>> Without a network connection, the updates cannot be
automatically delivered
>> to your system.  Yes, you would need to put them on
removable media and
>> physically bring them to the machine.
> 
> How about X-monthly service pack .iso's containing
packages from
> dapper-{security,updates}?
> 

Or even a script to generate an ISO would be nice.  Worst
case, you 
could use dar along with debmirror, i think, and just make
your own dar 
set of isos of a snapshot of the updates archive.

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On ma, 2006-05-29 at 17:40 -0500, Scott Dier wrote:

> Or even a script to generate an ISO would be nice. 
Worst case, you 
> could use dar along with debmirror, i think, and just
make your own
> dar set of isos of a snapshot of the updates archive. 

If no official solution can be provided I'm going to have
to do this 
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On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 00:33 +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> On ma, 2006-05-29 at 15:12 -0700, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> > On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 05:55:45PM -0400, Lukas
Sabota wrote:
> > > Along Dapper's 3 years of support, it will
release updates for security
> > > and bugfixes.  These updates will be issued
through the dapper-updates
> > > repository.  However, what if one has an
offline install with no
> > > internet connection?  Is there any way to
receive these updates short of
> > > burning the debs to a disk?
> > 
> > Without a network connection, the updates cannot
be automatically delivered
> > to your system.  Yes, you would need to put them
on removable media and
> > physically bring them to the machine.
> 
> How about X-monthly service pack .iso's containing
packages from
> dapper-{security,updates}?
That would really be ideal.  

God bless,
Lukas


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On Tue, 2006-05-30 at 00:53 +0200, Dennis Kaarsemaker wrote:
> On ma, 2006-05-29 at 17:40 -0500, Scott Dier wrote:
> 
> > Or even a script to generate an ISO would be nice.
 Worst case, you 
> > could use dar along with debmirror, i think, and
just make your own
> > dar set of isos of a snapshot of the updates
archive. 
> 
> If no official solution can be provided I'm going to
have to do this 

This project might be related, I think it is in the Summer
of Code
projects:

https://wik
i.ubuntu.com/OfflineUpdateSpec

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