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Re: Video packetization proposal
user name
2007-06-02 21:35:15
On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 18:32 -0400, Mihai Balea wrote:
> 
> Theora does not support packetization

Not true:

http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/theora/doc/draft-
ietf-avt-rtp-theora-00.txt

There are also drafts of RTP packetization for Speex and
Vorbis:

http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/speex/doc/draft-iet
f-avt-rtp-speex-00.txt
http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/vorbis/doc/draft-
ietf-avt-rtp-vorbis-05.txt

>  and it is, unfortunately, the  
> only free (as in beer and speech) video codec.

Untrue as well:

http://dirac.sourceforg
e.net/
http://schrodinge
r.sourceforge.net/

Jeff


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Re: Video packetization proposal
country flaguser name
United States
2007-06-03 08:21:09
On Jun 2, 2007, at 10:35 PM, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote:

> On Fri, 2007-06-01 at 18:32 -0400, Mihai Balea wrote:
>>
>> Theora does not support packetization
>
> Not true:
>
> http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/theora/doc/draft-
ietf-avt-rtp-theora-00.txt

Well, actually it is true.  The codec itself does not have
any built  
in support for arbitrary size chunks.  When you use Theora,
all you  
can get is complete encoded frames that usually are too big
to be  
sent in one network frame.  The xiph draft arbitrarily
slices up the  
full frames into usable, network sized chunks. The downside
is that  
if one or more such chunks are missing or are miss-ordered,
nasty  
things happen leading to the entire frame being useless.  We
use a  
similar technique in iaxclient and we decided that it is
better, from  
a user experience point of view, to drop an entire frame
rather than  
display an incomplete one.

Compare to H.264 which does have built in packetization and
is  
resistant to lost or miss-ordered packets.

>
>>  and it is, unfortunately, the
>> only free (as in beer and speech) video codec.
>
> Untrue as well:
>
> http://dirac.sourceforg
e.net/
> http://schrodinge
r.sourceforge.net/

Last time I checked, about 6 months ago, Dirac wasn't ready
for  
realtime encoding/decoding use.  The algorithms appear
promising, but  
they really need to optimize their code.

Mihai


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